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February 15, 2017 at 7:12 pm #508MikeParticipant
Ok, theory time.
Noah is (who some of us called) “Suit Guy”. He was in a few of our Ascensions and was/is part of OSDM.
Based on everything on his site, it could be that Michelle took his seminar. Her attitude towards her bosses and the disrespect show to us all definitely sounds like it.
So who is Noah? OSDM? A hired hand to train the new school OSDM?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:15 pm #512Andrew KaschParticipant
He’s a raging shithead, that’s who he is.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:16 pm #516Mustafa SaidParticipant
If Michelle may have learned her rather…trademark personality from a guy like him, makes me think if he is ODSM that he’s either an equal or even superior to her. Maybe I’m wrong about the superior bit because the only superiors we know of now are the Clockmakers(who we don’t even know if they’ll show up this time around.)
I should also point this out from the site:
Initial consultations are free to show you the power of The System but make no mistake, this is not a charity. I do not care about what you think you should be receiving until you put money in my pocket.
Keyword there is Initial. There will be more in the future.
I’d bet my money personally that this is going to lead to an in-person live event and that maybe those in the LA area who sign up might be able to attend one of these free consultations. Kinda reminds me of the early phases of the Tension Experience and the early exposure of the OOA…didn’t they do a similar thing at the beginning?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:20 pm #521Andrew KaschParticipant
The clock on his page has four hands…
Numbers are: 51 36 10 23
SPECULATE!
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February 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm #528
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February 15, 2017 at 7:21 pm #522thehazelverseParticipant
Resumes…
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February 15, 2017 at 7:23 pm #523Julie R GoldsteinParticipant
The only thing that comes to mind is an IP address…
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February 15, 2017 at 7:23 pm #524ChelseaParticipant
This is interesting…
“Fuck Tom and fuck his family. They are the ones who chose to put their stake in that weak little bitch, not you.”-
February 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm #530thehazelverseParticipant
Good connection Chelsea!
Is that the link to last season?
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February 16, 2017 at 5:55 am #629
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February 16, 2017 at 12:12 pm #654Kimberly StewartParticipant
I agree @chelsea. Very, very interesting.
The full quote from the Sinclair site:
Is Tom your boss? Well I want you to go in and say…
“Tom, I am a threat. I don’t respect you. I’m going to take your job because I am better, smarter, tougher and more tenacious than you. In fact, I already have it and you’re too goddamn stupid to even realize it.”
Maybe some of you will think, “Aww, Tom has three little girls and that new Fiat, maybe I should just work hard and get ahead by coming in 15 minutes early, making people like me and taking it up the ass every day.”
Fuck Tom and fuck his family. They are the ones who chose to put their stake in that weak little bitch, not you.
True that “Tom” is a very common name, but Tom was also a major character during Tension, to the point that he was revealed as something of a mastermind at the final event, The End. A mastermind who must have been quite important within OSDM. For those who missed it, Tom Barrow portrayed himself as the grieving, worried and overtly angry father of our central character/hero, Addison Barrow. In The End it was revealed that all along Tom was abusing and using mind control over “Addison” to make her believe an entire life that was not true. (Very simplistically stated, and I’m happy to explain in detail to anyone who wants to PM me.) I won’t be surprised one bit to see Tom make a reappearance during Lust. He was one of the few that seemed to walk away from The End unscathed. Then again, so did “Addison” (Sabrina). Don’t count that young woman out. She’s a force to be reckoned with, and if anyone has something to prove or amend, it is Sabrina.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm #526Kevin Justin RhoadesParticipant
I completely agree Mike. Based on the fact that Noah is so much of an ass and flaunts it, leads me to see him as an over inflated self-help guru who might in reality be just another front man to someone else. Whether it be the clockmakers or someone we haven’t met yet.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm #527ShaunParticipant
Any reason why the Roman numeral 4 is IIII instead of IV?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:25 pm #531MeganParticipant
I noticed that and also that IX, XI, and XII.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:28 pm #534
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February 16, 2017 at 2:05 pm #677DawsonParticipant
In regards of IV versus IIII, this may have already been answered,
From Mentalfloss:
Once upon a time, when Roman numerals were used by the actual Roman Empire, the name of the Romans’ supreme deity, Jupiter, was spelled as IVPPITER in Latin. Hesitant to put part of the god’s name on a sundial or in accounting books, IIII became the preferred representation of four. Of course, IVPPITER wasn’t being worshipped much by the time clocks and watches replaced sundials, but clockmakers may have stuck with IIII just for the sake of tradition.
In another blow to the Jupiter theory, subtractive notation where IV, instead of IIII, represents four didn’t become the standard until well after the fall of the Western Roman Empire (and the numerals we use now are an even more modern set). It’s likely, then, that IIII was used on sundials (and everywhere else) simply because that was the proper numeral to use at the time, and not for fear of divine retribution.
Once subtractive notation came onto the scene and a choice was available, to V or not to V became a question every clockmaker had to answer for themselves. Some adopted the newfangled IV because it was the new standard, but others hung on to the traditional IIII.
IIII might have stuck around because it’s easily recognizable as four. IV involves a little math. Yes, it’s just one simple subtraction operation, but keep in mind that when subtractive notation really caught on in the Middle Ages, the majority of people weren’t literate or numerate. Subtraction was a lot to wrap the head around. On top of that, IV and VI might have been easily confused by the uneducated (likewise with IX and XI, which is why nine was sometimes represented by VIIII).
Using IIII may have also made work a little easier for certain clock makers. If you’re making a clock where the numerals are cut from metal and affixed to the face, using IIII means you’ll need twenty I’s, four V’s, and four X’s. That’s one mold with a V, five I’s, and an X cast four times. With an IV, you’d need seventeen I’s, five V’s, and four X’s, requiring several molds in different configurations.”
Then again, being a newbie, it may have some significance as a carry over from Tension.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:24 pm #529MeganParticipant
Dear Noah. I don’t take well to “live training.” References available upon request. Love, Megan.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:25 pm #532NosnevetsParticipant
@mike bringing this here because it seemed more appropriate.
“Anyone notice the clock on the expectations page has 4 hands?”-Me
Yes @nosnevets Usually the 4th hand is used for an alarm. If that’s the case, it looks to be set at around 7:00. That could be for his people to spam the board tonight, or possibly a clue to something going down in July. The minute/hour hands show 5/10 – May 10th? Possibly, but I think more so May 1st (just easier to show 10 on a clock than :01)- @mike
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February 15, 2017 at 7:26 pm #533ChrisParticipant
This almost feels like a direct response to the behavior that was encouraged by the OOA. Like he wants us to snap out of it. Where the dogma of the OOA that took in “Addison” seemed to prefer its members to be reverential supplicants, it looks like Noah is looking to indoctrinate an army of sharks. Definitely very Michelle and how she seemed to regard what had come before The End. A very stark contrast. Still just as programmed, but with a new and more aggressive bent. I could easily see this as the first step towards developing a mob of blind supporters. But what will they use us for?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:29 pm #538KaleyParticipant
I agree @macbethinabathtub – It seems he wants to train people to take over and overthrow the ones who are currently in power…
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February 15, 2017 at 7:30 pm #539thehazelverseParticipant
Chris, I think that’s a valid point. Where Addison was a relatively innocent protagonist and aided the tone of submission, this chapter seems to be focused on a more aggressive path.
In order for us to get in touch with our carnality, we have to be less reverential and more primal.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:28 pm #535Kevin Justin RhoadesParticipant
May 1 (you can see the date on the Facebook profile pic)
March 6?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:28 pm #536Julie R GoldsteinParticipant
Guys, you’re talking about clocks and Michelle’s bosses were called THE CLOCKMAKERS!
There’s a connection here!
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February 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm #541Lukas LParticipant
Anyone know why the normal URL for each page is “Example” http://noahsinclair.com/index.html But the source code for that page shows http://noahsinclair.com/phone/expectations.html this is for each of the pages. If you click on the link it takes you to a similar but different page. Some how are we supposed to be looking for a phone number? Or am I way off?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:40 pm #546ShaunParticipant
Anyone know why the normal URL for each page is “Example” http://noahsinclair.com/index.html But the source code for that page shows http://noahsinclair.com/phone/expectations.html this is for each of the pages. If you click on the link it takes you to a similar but different page. Some how are we supposed to be looking for a phone number? Or am I way off?
Those are alternate links for mobile devices.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:44 pm #555Lukas LParticipant
Thank you! Not great at HTML but it was worth a shot.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm #542ChristineParticipant
So how long does everyone think it will take to hear back after we email him?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm #543AnonymousInactive
That pesky number 23. The second hand is at 23 but if looking at the hour values — 2 (minute) + 4 (second) + 7 (alarm) + 10 (hour) = 23. I feel like Jim Carrey now.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm #544ChloeParticipant
@kaleycharlotte – I agree as well, Michelle did have the whole speech about how she didn’t care what her bosses and the other higher ups thought. It seems that she and Noah (if he’s not just the face like Addison was for Tension) want to acquire a group of people, train them to be as aggressive, non-caring, and dominate as possible, and put them in power instead of the current bosses. They may even have an agenda to put themselves in control by giving the illusion of control to the people they train, but actually puppeteering them to do what they want once they’re where they want them.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:39 pm #545AnonymousInactive
AH! And what I just posted was the 23rd post in here! I’m already losing it.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:41 pm #547SeanModerator
@lukasrl – Are you looking at the tag near the top that’s something like
<link media="only screen and (max-width: 370px)" rel="alternate"
That’s an alternate link that loads the pages differently for people who are using phones instead of computers. Nothing weird is in this source… not yet, at least.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:41 pm #549MikeParticipant
So how long does everyone think it will take to hear back after we email him?
We’re on his time…he’ll get back to us when he’s ready 😉
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February 15, 2017 at 7:41 pm #551Maxwell RParticipant
Noah may be suspect but his logo is pretty badass.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:42 pm #552KaleyParticipant
Also, certain statements stick out to me “Don’t just win. Change the GAME” and “There are no rules except the ones you write everyday”
There’s also the title of each step in the system…
“1. No one is coming to save you”
“2. Their rules don’t apply to us”
“3. Be impulsive”
“4. Nice is not productive”I can’t help but think these apply directly to us and the decisions we are and will be making throughout this journey… Maybe some of us will end up playing a larger role? Maybe we are supposed to be taking the power this time around?… thinking out loud
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February 15, 2017 at 7:42 pm #553GoldTongueParticipant
I’m inclined to think Noah Sinclair has nothing to do with OSDM.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:45 pm #556SeanModerator
@goldtongue – I agree with you for now. If anything, we’re seeing another version of the OOA – an OSDM front that they’ll use as a facade only to drop it later
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February 15, 2017 at 7:48 pm #558Bryan BishopParticipant
This is very interesting if we look at it as a different front for OSDM, just preying on a different set of fears/human weaknesses.
In Tension, Addison was at the center of it. People were drawn in by her story; people came back multiple times to help (and try to rescue) her. Tension basically used our own human empathy against us. The OSDM weaponized it, to keep us coming back again and again (and give up personal information along the way.)
If Noah Sinclair is the latest front, it’s the OSDM exploiting our cultural obsessions with power, dominance, and success — and whatever insecurities we may have on that front. From their point of view, it’s a great way to collect data on a vastly different kind of person, because the kind of person who might be seduced by the idea of helping a poor, lost actress is not necessarily the kind of person that feels weaknesses in these new categories. More prey, and more data for OSDM. And if somebody invests in the kind of services Noah Sinclair is offering, and they feel it actually works for them… well they’d probably do just about anything, wouldn’t they? At the end of the day, it’s just another kind of cult.
This is OSDM, imo. At least this time I can go in with my eyes open.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:48 pm #559AnonymousInactive
Is it odd that the X numerals are notably smaller than the I’s and V’s on the clock?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:50 pm #562
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February 15, 2017 at 7:48 pm #560MeganParticipant
Also note the wristwatch he’s wearing on the home page – very clearly showing us something.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:51 pm #563AnonymousInactive
Hmm, the hour and second hands on the clock are on the same spots as the minute and hour hands on his watch respectively.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:53 pm #564Nate MarcumParticipant
Wanted to point out that the “spam” in the forums uses “your” in place of “you’re” on multiple occasions, as well as “weight” instead of “wait”. Significance? May well just be a mockery of the typical spam message it’s modeled after, but thought it was worth noting.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:53 pm #565SeanModerator
@coryphella Here’s the link to the image itself if you want something a little more real. Looks like it’s pointing to 3:50? Date says March…. 7? I can’t read the date.
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February 15, 2017 at 7:54 pm #566MikeParticipant
@thegilded – That filename is pretty suspect. Will there be an “after.jpg” at some point?
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February 15, 2017 at 7:57 pm #567ChrisParticipant
“We Cordially Invite You To Join Us…” –Facebook Page right now. Couple of different tones at play here…
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February 15, 2017 at 7:58 pm #568
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February 15, 2017 at 7:59 pm #569MarandaParticipant
It’s not much but I cropped and rotated the watch image, if anyone can help make out the date. The time does indeed look like 3:50 and 25(?) seconds.
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February 15, 2017 at 8:00 pm #570MikeParticipant
@thegilded – OH SHIT…what if (crazy theory)
He’s just another pawn like Addison/Sabrina was and now we have Brendan/Noah.
Brainwashed?
Actor?This could get good
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February 15, 2017 at 8:02 pm #571Christine BargerParticipant
So Noah was part of tension? I don’t remember him. Where was he?
Also any body figure out what the four numbers are for yet? 10-23-36-51
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February 15, 2017 at 8:03 pm #572Lukas LParticipant
The watch is a edited image that is on multiple websites. Non related websites that is.
do a google image search with this picture. The clock and hands are identical.
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February 15, 2017 at 8:35 pm #594
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February 15, 2017 at 8:04 pm #573MikeParticipant
@christineb – He was towards the end of Ascension, but only for a couple weeks I believe. He was in a photo with Samson on Facebook at one point.
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February 15, 2017 at 8:07 pm #574
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February 15, 2017 at 8:07 pm #575AnonymousInactive
The date on that watch looks like March 7 to me.
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February 15, 2017 at 8:07 pm #576
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February 15, 2017 at 8:08 pm #579MikeParticipant
@thegilded – you know it!
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February 15, 2017 at 8:09 pm #581Michael RizzoParticipant
“Drink in the afternoon. Do a bump at the parent teacher conference. Co-worker being unreasonable? Punch them in their fat fucking face.”
Noah Sinclair needs to lay off the yao lmao
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February 15, 2017 at 8:24 pm #590Bryan BishopParticipant
Interesting detail: at the bottom of the NS home page there’s a tiny logo next to the copyright notice. It’s a fist, topped with flames. Calls to mind a certain logo on this site.
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February 15, 2017 at 8:45 pm #596
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February 15, 2017 at 8:45 pm #597AnonymousInactive
So, is the live training happening at Darkplace Hospital or what?
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February 15, 2017 at 8:48 pm #598Bryan BishopParticipant
OMG @chelsea. I will never see that logo the same way again.
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February 15, 2017 at 8:52 pm #600Lukas LParticipant
Well one thing is for sure. Time is going to be a major influence on this. In the lust symbol with the eye, the pupil looks like a clock. In the crossed keys symbol in a circle, they could be hands of a clock. Noah Sinclair has a clock on his page. Gears that look like a clock work, and he is showing off his watch.
This reminds me of one of my fav scenes from Tension. The clock room and the story behind and what we were told to do was just awesome!
The above are just my thoughts, because i’m just burning some time. (Ba dum dum)
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February 15, 2017 at 8:52 pm #601Lawrence MeyersParticipant
Noah Sinclair is going to wet his pants and jump out of a window,
after I use my cock to pin him against the wall and CRUSH him.That is, if I choose to let him see it.
Because seeing my cock…is for closers.
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February 15, 2017 at 9:10 pm #608GoldTongueParticipant
Love that his name contains “sin.”
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February 15, 2017 at 9:34 pm #612David R.Participant
I take it that the billionaire industrialist in this romance novel is a different Noah Sinclair…
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February 15, 2017 at 9:35 pm #613AnonymousInactive
I imagine that’s a different Talia, as well…
2014 would be a pretty deep cut.
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February 15, 2017 at 9:39 pm #614
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February 16, 2017 at 1:23 am #624JakeOParticipant
Meeting Noah and having him punch me in the face or dick is a new life goal
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February 16, 2017 at 4:55 am #627Michel RheaultParticipant
Maybe unrelated, but Noah life philosophy struck me as very nietchean.
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February 16, 2017 at 7:18 am #631Andrew KaschParticipant
I look forward to taking this seminar, if only to get to the bottom of who is pulling Noah’s strings.
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February 16, 2017 at 7:39 am #634ChloeParticipant
“Be unpredictable so that your friends and opponents are always on guard. It keeps those loyal to you fresh and your enemies unbalanced.”
I’m wondering if everyone will sort of be pitted against one another in LUST, or where you choose your friends and enemies. Tension seemed to be mostly about bringing people in together into the organization, whereas with Noah Sinclair it seems to be a first come first served kind of deal.
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February 16, 2017 at 8:44 am #635AddisonParticipant
Noah almost reminds me of Sentinel, except instead of disrupting the system via chaos, he’s creating his own system via chaos in order to benefit himself?
Looking back at The End, OSDM and Michelle straight up told us they were using us to get to our data, and getting us to open up by letting us create our goal within their narrative. Of course, the Sentinel/BOS we were recruited by was OSDM all along as a way to catch those that would want to stray, but this approach still seems somewhat familiar.
Now we have Noah spamming the forums with his self promotion through dummy accounts, because WordPress boards are easy to create spam users on (remember all those spam messages from the Tension forums?). He’s creating chaos by completely disrupting conversation and changing the convo to be about himself, and obviously luring many of us to contact him. The allure of not giving a fuck is too great.
But maybe we should be careful about who we tell our deepest, darkest secrets to this time around? Not that they don’t have what they’re looking for already..
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February 16, 2017 at 9:24 am #639SageParticipant
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February 16, 2017 at 9:52 am #644SeanModerator
It’s curious that Lust invites us to “Sin with Perfection” and the first character that we meet has the first syllables in his name “No Sin”
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February 16, 2017 at 10:14 am #645ChelseaParticipant
@thegilded Oh snap!
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February 16, 2017 at 10:25 am #646MikeParticipant
There’s the @thegilded I know and love. Just like old times 🙂
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February 16, 2017 at 10:54 am #647Christine BargerParticipant
*Please note Joel is not a character and doesn’t have anything to do with Lust…he’s just the author of the book Noah’s site inspired me to read. IRL OOG
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February 16, 2017 at 12:12 pm #653Stephanie MartinParticipant
Was anybody else able to confirm a webinar time?!
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February 16, 2017 at 12:26 pm #659JeremyParticipant
@rasberryberet please elaborate
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February 16, 2017 at 12:51 pm #661Stephanie MartinParticipant
Check out Christine barger’s post! About Joel and click on it!
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February 16, 2017 at 12:20 pm #655ChelseaParticipant
@electrichippo I definitely got a round of chills when I got to that line. Sure, Tom is a common name, but that just seems a little too coincidental. I think we should keep believing that nothing is random.
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February 16, 2017 at 12:22 pm #656Kimberly StewartParticipant
@chelsea: “Nothing is random” ingrained in our brains forever.
I forgot to mention, that “weak little bitch” sure sounds like a phrase OSDM (Michelle, Tom, et al) would use to describe Addison/Sabrina.
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February 16, 2017 at 12:24 pm #658ChelseaParticipant
@electrichippo That was my thought too. I really think that’s a reference to her.
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February 16, 2017 at 12:50 pm #660LenizeParticipant
This is also a very wild and random speculation, but the little dot on people’s profile pictures (that seems to be blue when someone is online and grey when they’re not) is also in the position of the 4 on a clock.
So with the incorrect roman numeral in the picture and there being four hands on the clock, maybe the number 4 has a meaning as well?
And @rasberryberet I would also be interested as to what webinar you are referring to!
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February 16, 2017 at 12:56 pm #662LenizeParticipant
Ah, thanks @rasberryberet had no idea you could click on it!
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February 16, 2017 at 1:07 pm #664MikeParticipant
@electrichippo @chelsea : During my 2nd time through, I was in the processing room with @larry. Noah was there with Samson and then they brought Tom in. Noah was yelling at Samson about data (thanks Larry for the refresher on that night!) and when Tom got brought in and hugged Addison, that’s when Samson used the phrase to drop her. So there seems to definitely be a connection between them all.
In my red room with Tom/OSDM, Noah was definitely in there standing side by side with them. So that makes me wonder if he’s just another smokescreen.
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February 16, 2017 at 1:26 pm #665Kimberly StewartParticipant
Oh definitely @mike! Smokescreen, diversion, distraction, bait and switch… We’ve had a master course in that. We aren’t the same people we were, those excited little newbies gleefully throwing on hoods and walking off with strangers. Not that we won’t do that again (because it was a lot of fun), but we know more this time and some of us might be much less trusting.
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February 16, 2017 at 1:29 pm #666Stephanie MartinParticipant
My bad people. It may not be related. Apologies.
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February 16, 2017 at 1:46 pm #668Michel RheaultParticipant
Lets note than Noah have qualified thematicly enought his gospel of selfishness as ”attractive”.
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February 16, 2017 at 1:55 pm #674BlondieParticipant
Very intrigued to see what his training will involve. Self-help seminars often involve personality tests, like Myers-Briggs. These would certainly be of use to whoever is behind the data collection exercise Michelle claimed we are part of
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February 16, 2017 at 2:12 pm #678LiaParticipant
Doesn’t it all seem a little transparent for them to just hand us Noah as yet another pawn for the OSDM? Why would ANY of us want to trust him, knowing what we know about their previous attempt at data mining and the emotional toll they took on every single person involved with Tension? Do they really think we’re that stupid?
…That being said, obviously I emailed him pretending to be 100% on board… Only way to take them down is from the inside, right?
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February 16, 2017 at 2:21 pm #679SeanModerator
@lilmsfancpants – don’t you see the genius of it? They don’t need to throw up a screen of pretense. We’re not being asked to trust yet, we’re just being asked to insert an email to find the next step. All of us, just by being here, have proven that we’re curious enough to take that step.
They’ll ask minor steps from us over and over again, no single one being egregious enough to get us to stop. By the time that they pull the rug out from under us, we’ll have walked so far off the path we thought we’re on that we won’t know what’s going on any more.
But you’re right. No one in their right mind would take this step after last time.
But don’t we all want to see what the next step is?
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February 16, 2017 at 3:43 pm #707Meghan MayhemParticipant
@thegilded @lilmsfancpants That is the beauty of it. After they know we can’t trust a heart felt story and we’re ready to be fucked over, after we think we know the game, they present us with what we think is honesty. We think we know the game this time and since they’re being “Straight forward with us”, we won’t fall for it this time. Transparency. I once dated a man who told me up front that he was a clinically diagnosed sociopath and I thought “He can’t fuck with me, I know the score. I know what to look for as “Red flags”. I can deal with this, it’ll be fine. He’s being honest with me because he respects me.
LOL, nope.
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February 16, 2017 at 2:26 pm #680JeremyParticipant
Stepping outside of the story for a moment….. Sounds like everyone is assuming the Lust universe is the same as Tensions’. Is there evidence of that? Seems like that would limit their reach quite dramatically.
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February 16, 2017 at 2:31 pm #682MeganParticipant
We know it’s “The OSDM presents…” and the OSDM is carried over from Tension. We also know from an interview, article, or podcast (I can’t remember which, but it may have been Bryan’s) that future installments would take place in the same universe though would be self-contained, at least that was my understanding.
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February 16, 2017 at 2:30 pm #681SeanModerator
@jay956 – The link that I, as well as at least a couple others, are going off of is the line “OSDM presents” that was present on earlier promotional media.
The OSDM was the big organization at the end of Tension and was very much an “in-universe” entity. Previously, they were the ones that ran and presented Tension so for them to present Lust, it implies an in-universe link.
However, Tension was portrayed as a self-contained chapter. While Lust may exist in the same universe as the OSDM as the parent “company”, I’d doubt very much that we’d be seeing many links from Tension’s OOA – the non-OSDM portion of the story.
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February 16, 2017 at 2:32 pm #683MeganParticipant
Sorry Sean, didn’t mean to repeat you. 🙂
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February 16, 2017 at 2:36 pm #685JeremyParticipant
Oh thanks for the info. I must have missed that in the early promo.
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February 16, 2017 at 3:21 pm #697Bryan BishopParticipant
@coryphella I went back to my notes, and this quote from Darren seemed most applicable given what we know now:
“Maybe in the same way that American Horror Story does, in that every season is a new season, but there’s small threads that carry over and characters carry over to an extent, even though they play new roles,” he says. “To the percentage? You’re going to have to wait on what that actually is.”
I think this means Jessica Lange is Noah Sinclair.
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February 16, 2017 at 3:36 pm #705JohnParticipant
“Nice guys watch with shameful erections while guys like me finish on their wife’s tits.”
Thanks Noah. Looks like its time for me to turn in my nice guy card! Where’s your wife @thevoyeur
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February 16, 2017 at 4:46 pm #725LiaParticipant
@meghanmayhem and to think, we’re doing this for fun…
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February 16, 2017 at 5:11 pm #729Michel RheaultParticipant
I personally ” fall for it” because is the only way to go forward in the game we know yet. Better having fun as a fool than wisely voluntarily stuck yourself at level 1.
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February 16, 2017 at 5:18 pm #732Lawrence MeyersParticipant
You know what I’ll do to Mr. Noah Fucking Sinclair? I’m going to rip off his testicles and I’m draw little eyes on them, stick them onto a sock, and parrot his useless fucking self-help bullshit at the Bob Baker Marionette Fucking Sock Puppet Fucking Theater.
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February 16, 2017 at 5:39 pm #735Nate MarcumParticipant
If I may, how did everyone respond to this guy? What I mean is tone-wise? Did we all just say “Sure, pal, count me in”? Because I, for one, did the same thing many are doing in this thread and spewed his own nonsense rhetoric back at him. I was just curious as to the different approaches our community took.
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February 16, 2017 at 5:42 pm #736Kevin FlintParticipant
No joke, I stormed out of my office and Noah’d the first person I came across. Told her to cancel a meeting I didn’t want to sit through – and she did!!!
Noah has already improved my life.
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February 16, 2017 at 5:47 pm #737AnonymousInactive
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ashtraydegraded being such as this gets Tone 40. All day, every day.THANK YOU.
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February 16, 2017 at 5:58 pm #738SeanModerator
Apparently with my proclivity toward violence and rampant cocaine problem I’ve been Noah’ing for years
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February 16, 2017 at 6:09 pm #739ChloeParticipant
@nate31464 – Are you meaning through the email? If so, I probably had the worst message. I had absolutely no clue what to say, so I legit just said “Sign me up!” in both the subject line and the message. XD
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February 16, 2017 at 6:13 pm #740ChristineParticipant
I had no idea what to say either. I just said I was interested and looking forward to bettering myself. I figured I should just play along.
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February 16, 2017 at 6:18 pm #741Kyle BownParticipant
I told him I didn’t want to wait for May 1st. and if I’m supposed to be grabbing life by the balls, why wait for his schedule?
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February 16, 2017 at 6:29 pm #742MarandaParticipant
Nice one @bruinbown. Can’t wait to see how he reacts to his own “philosophy” being thrown back in his face.
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February 16, 2017 at 7:13 pm #745SageParticipant
Tom has “three little girls and a new fiat”…weird choice for a boss?
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February 16, 2017 at 7:15 pm #746Lukas LParticipant
The thing I like about Noah is he is the perfect person to love to hate. I mean just reading the forums and its a job well well done. As much as I enjoyed Tension, I never really loved to hate a person from that. Of course there was 3 but sometimes he made me laugh. Sometimes I had sympathy for him. Noah is coming on strong. Ballz to the wallz and leaving a mushroom welt on the forums forehead.
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February 16, 2017 at 8:09 pm #752MarandaParticipant
@lukasrl Maybe you’re right, perhaps we are judging him too soon. After all, all we’ve had to go on is a website for a few days. None of us have even spoken to the guy. For all our “we’re better than Noah” morals, we sure are doing a good job of being prematurely judge-y towards him. I suppose until we meet him, we could qualify our gripes with the acknowledgement that our assessments of his personality and business model all based only on available information.
That being said, his site makes him come off as aggressive and rude, so nothing’s changed for me on that front.
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February 16, 2017 at 8:32 pm #754Lukas LParticipant
@izryn but that’s what I’m talking about. I am with you. His site is vulgar and crude. He is already hated. Which is awesome because to have a person who people love to hate in a legit way is hard to pull off. Most “bad guys” people tend to just hate and want to distance themselves. Noah is a person that people hate but is intriguing in a see that people like to hate him.
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February 16, 2017 at 8:39 pm #755EthanParticipant
Successful people tend to be hated, so I guess well find out in the future.
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February 16, 2017 at 9:52 pm #763LenizeParticipant
The personality type that Noah espouses is everything I try not to be, and if I meet someone like him in real life there is usually an instant dislike to them!
I did however still send him an enthusiastic email wanting to join, you can’t stop the enemy if you don’t know what he is up to!
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February 17, 2017 at 12:05 am #769Maxwell RParticipant
Say what you will about Noah Sinclair, the guy is clearly a savage business man. Who knows where I would be if I had the balls to do this.
“At 22, I convinced my father’s board to remove him as CEO and instate me. When he was removed from the building, he stopped, shook my hand and told me he was proud of me. It was the best gift he could have given me as it solidified that he was entirely too weak to be an effective leader.
Through mandatory oversight subcommittees I single handedly removed the board and replaced them with weak-minded but loyal subjects and forged new opportunities that led to record earnings that continue to this day.”
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February 17, 2017 at 12:51 am #775SummoningDarkParticipant
Noah strikes me as a big Ayn Rand fan. Fitting given the current political climate.
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February 17, 2017 at 1:21 pm #828RussellParticipant
During my visit to Ascension, I never encountered Noah. Anyone who did encounter him… can you comment on his specific demeanor or actions? Did anything you see give a hint to the aggressive attitude his website promotes?
Random side thought – Early in this thread people seem surprised that some of the images on his website may be stock images. This makes sense to me… why would he spend his own marketing budget when a cheap license fee for a stock image may put more coins in his pocket?
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February 17, 2017 at 1:30 pm #833Meghan MayhemParticipant
@russell I saw him both times I visited the OOA.
He walked freely through the hallways of the warehouse with a definite sense of purpose. Carrying a suitcase and accompanied by other men in suits (I believe Samson was one of them?). Every time he walked by, every single cast member would immediately look terrified and face the wall until he’d gone. At one point during my 1st processing, he went into the side office and I asked my processor who he was and with a trembling voice she said “We’re…we’re not supposed to say.” and sheepishly adjusted her hair.
At another point, I was lined up outside the Red Room and instructed to face forward and totally still at all times until Suit Guy had passed and I deliberately turned fully around and stared him down. He stared right back and never dropped his pace.
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February 17, 2017 at 1:26 pm #831MikeParticipant
@russell – It’s interesting that now that we can see into his personality a bit more….or what he wants us to believe his personality is. I mean, did he even write it? Who knows, but we’ll go with the assumption that those are his words.
He only said a few things to me directly when I encountered him. It was a mix of “I’m in charge” type of confidence and a bit of sarcasm/condescension as well. So, it really does fit with his site’s MO
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February 17, 2017 at 1:27 pm #832Bryan BishopParticipant
@russell I ran into him on one of my visits, and actually found him to be quite different from the person depicted on the Noah Sinclair website. He seemed to be some sort of corporate manager, brought in to oversee things because Samson wasn’t maintaining control of the situation. Angry and brash, but he definitely seemed to be answering to someone, rather than being a person that had taken over his own father’s company and replaced the entire board with sycophants.
That said, he didn’t have much patience for questions about Overseer/Addison/Sabrina. I found that out when he snapped and dragged me out of the processing room.
At that moment, he seemed quite a bit like Noah Sinclair.
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February 17, 2017 at 3:22 pm #844GoldTongueParticipant
I watched this happen from the corner of the room, naked. Noah was intense.
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February 17, 2017 at 1:34 pm #835RussellParticipant
Thanks @mike and @bcbishop. My first impression of Samson was that he was completely ineffectual… he seemed unfamiliar with the Tension Forums, was confused when I asked for him to specify an instruction he gave me… and his computer was caught in a loop and refused to allow me to sign in. He gave up in frustration and ended the scene. It took a second encounter with him for me to understand why others found him intimidating.
That’s why I was asking about impressions of Noah. He could have been playing the role of subordinate in the moment, waiting for an opportunity to destroy others he saw blocking his path.
@meghanmayhem You may have seen a more honest glimpse, then. My second encounter with Samson – he also had that effect on others.- This reply was modified 7 years, 8 months ago by Russell.
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February 17, 2017 at 1:47 pm #837Meghan MayhemParticipant
@russell Yes, Samson got the “face the wall” response as well, but Suit Guy in particular had people looking genuinely scared.
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February 17, 2017 at 3:11 pm #843AnonymousInactive
I briefly saw him on my second time. I was in the smaller side processing room when Samson busted in with Suit Guy. The handler next to me looked scared and whispered that we had to face the wall. So we both put our noses to the wall as Samson put his briefcase down to open it in front of the other seated participant. After a minute, one of them said, “Get him out of here!” and the handler rushed me out of the room. That was it.
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February 17, 2017 at 3:29 pm #845Michel RheaultParticipant
Thought this gif was appropriate:
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February 17, 2017 at 4:00 pm #846AnonymousInactive
After viewing Noah Sinclair’s website, I can’t help but notice a sly nod to a pun which may be a satirical clue? The Game is one of the topics, which is right next to “my story” ( and lacked spacing between words my and story on my browser). I can’t help but think it’s a reference to “the world’s greatest pickup artist” named Mystery. He had a best seller written about him titled “the game”. He just so happens to do seminars and it sounds like Noah could cover similar material… any thoughts? It’s called “lust”, who has more lust than the men attending such seminars?
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February 17, 2017 at 4:01 pm #847AnonymousInactive
Nvm, sites changed minor since my viewing it originally.
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February 17, 2017 at 4:25 pm #848SageParticipant
What about the old greek statues? Poseidon? Not sure what this is supposed to get at…besides “strong man”. Kind of a weird choice.
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February 17, 2017 at 5:00 pm #849JeremyParticipant
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February 17, 2017 at 5:17 pm #850JeremyParticipant
Sorry not the exact statue but it is from the same garden.
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February 17, 2017 at 5:30 pm #852SageParticipant
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February 17, 2017 at 5:31 pm #853
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February 17, 2017 at 5:36 pm #855JeremyParticipant
I used google reverse image search https://www.robertharding.com/preview/832-220859/botanical-garden-finance-tower-brussels-brabant-belgium-europe/
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February 17, 2017 at 5:36 pm #857SageParticipant
I don’t know if any of this means anything, but it’s fun to investigate.
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February 17, 2017 at 5:42 pm #863
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February 17, 2017 at 5:51 pm #864SageParticipant
And location of that boardroom? Looks almost like LA or dry flat climate.
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February 17, 2017 at 6:11 pm #865SageParticipant
And the jpg of Noah’s face is saved as “brendancover5”. ?
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February 18, 2017 at 9:42 am #868AnonymousInactive
I find it interesting to see where else the images Noahsinclair.com have been used on the internet. Here, the statue in front of the building is associated with a write-up on thought leadership, data/information and content marketing.
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February 18, 2017 at 11:24 am #869AnonymousInactive
Another of the statues and the conference room are both used on the same website for a marketing consulting firm. I just think it’s interesting that there is are loose similarities in the context that these images are used in on the net, though I’d have to say that Noah’s approach is by far the most extreme.
The fist from Noah’s contact page appears on a “give control to God” (my description) website just above the lines “Being controlling reflects a lack of trust in God and, perhaps paradoxically, a lack of self-control. Controlling people are actually being controlled – usually by fear, temptation, pride and anger. ” Kind of a 180 from what Noah’s selling and interesting that the “controller” is actually being controlled?
I know, most likely not relevant, but I’m new and practicing pulling at strings and digging.
https://tophat-imc.com/marketing-motivational-quote-round-1/
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February 19, 2017 at 7:36 am #910Josh M.Participant
Received an email from Sarah Sinclair (Chief Operating Officer) with a questionnaire to assess me as a potential future candidate. there was a phone number in her signature. questions weren’t too deep but I am going to take my time with them. I have not called it but I did do a lookup on the number/location it comes from.
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February 19, 2017 at 7:53 am #911Brad RuweParticipant
Damn, Noah emailed me and said I was a loser. No questionnaire for me. I take it you are a “winner” then?
Also noticed the email came from Sarah Sinclair, not Noah.
Mine came with the phone number too. About to call it.
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February 19, 2017 at 7:56 am #912Brad RuweParticipant
The phone number is a voice mail system. Gonna leave a message when I’m a bit more awake haha.
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February 19, 2017 at 7:56 am #913AnonymousInactive
I got the email (“A man after our own heart. State what you want, and then TAKE IT.”) questionnaire and just called the number. Left a message. “Take what’s theirs.”
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February 19, 2017 at 8:00 am #914LenizeParticipant
I wonder if there is any correlation between the type of messages people emailed Noah, and being accepted or rejected?
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February 19, 2017 at 8:00 am #915Carl WebbParticipant
I trust I will get an email soon. I know it will change my life.
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February 19, 2017 at 8:05 am #916AnonymousInactive
I got an email from Sarah Sinclair that said I wasn’t chosen, but I’m not eliminated. I responded to the email and left a voice mail saying: “i want it all and will take it”.
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February 19, 2017 at 8:12 am #917Brad RuweParticipant
Who all got the survey? What did you say in your email?
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February 19, 2017 at 8:14 am #918GoldTongueParticipant
My email:
Subject: I’m tired of being ugly…
And weak. And unloved.
You’re my last hope. Please add me to your list.
Thank you,
Clay Lapari
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February 19, 2017 at 8:18 am #919AnonymousInactive
My questionnaire…
Complete name:
Number:
Address:
What you desire most in this world:
What you believe is holding you back from getting it:
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February 19, 2017 at 8:19 am #921GoldTongueParticipant
Jared, my email didn’t have that last question.
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February 19, 2017 at 8:21 am #923ColaptesauratusParticipant
I started a new thread in the speculation forum so we can keep the email discussion all together 🙂
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February 19, 2017 at 8:24 am #924AnonymousInactive
Vert interesting… I gave the most self-centered responses I could muster.
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February 23, 2017 at 1:12 pm #1461superstarParticipant
Maybe I’m crazy, but this woke me up in the middle of a sound sleep last night, so…
Does anyone else who was at the November 12 8pm Ascension remember a guy who was dropped off at the pickup location in a black sedan? He was wearing a suit and dress shoes, which seemed odd considering the suggestions we all received about wearing clothes we wouldn’t mind ruining. He spent most of the “pre-van” time speaking in a low voice on his cell phone, a few feet removed from the group.
If any of this rings a bell, go to the TE FB page and check out the group pic from the end of the night… fourth guy from the left…slick his hair back and trim the beard…am I crazy?
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February 23, 2017 at 1:39 pm #1464Kimberly StewartParticipant
@superstar If I’m looking at the correct photo (man standing behind girl in plaid shirt), I know him, he’s one of us, not one of *them*… Ben T.
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February 23, 2017 at 2:01 pm #1468superstarParticipant
@electrichippo different photo. No one in front of the guy I’m talking about. His jumpsuit is open low and he’s standing next to a girl throwing hand signs. Dark haired woman kneeling in front wearing black v-neck tee and blue jeans.
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February 23, 2017 at 5:08 pm #1485superstarParticipant
@electrichippo, second photo in the album “11/12”.
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March 26, 2017 at 4:28 am #3627carl fosterParticipant
That is all in the middle chapter.. some kind of his brand or identity.
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March 26, 2017 at 5:48 am #3628MarandaParticipant
@carlfoster Are you a participant? If so, I thought it best to give you a heads up that this kind of self promotion link (if that’s indeed what it is) won’t be viewed kindly. If you’re not a participant, kindly take your spam elsewhere, preferably into the ether.
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