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How many of us GOT WHAT WE DESIRED?
Damn, Megan. This entire thing. Did anyone see Joyce outside of Sunday night? I didn’t see her Thursday or Saturday, Friday folks pleaser correct me. She and I chatted briefly and said how nice it was to see each other, and she went out of her way to mention she’d spoken to @kevin earlier in the evening. She made a point to speak with me, Bryan, and Kevin, and then I never saw her again. And it was VERY good to see her. I wanted that.
And on Sunday morning, I got a No Caller from Steph asking me to come back and join the 11:30 group. I was in the room to watch my friend suffer, and to watch another friend whisk her to safety. I was sobbing. You guys saw me, I had a lot of feelings that night. And that just dawned on me…that’s what I wanted. I wanted this to make me feel something, no matter what it was. Holding hands with Karlie/Tatiana, a real friend, with my hand on @larry’s shoulder as he seethed, and tears on my face for Steph, that is exactly what I was asking for.
Fuck. I need a drink.
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@wanda102 – I also spoke briefly with Joyce on Sunday night. She asked how I’d been doing, commenting that I didn’t seem all that well – and she wasn’t talking about there and then, she meant in life in general.
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GODDAMN, this is some good shit @coryphella.
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These are all really great questions to keep in mind, because so much of this was sus..
#8- Candace was talking to Andy about The System, and he was talking about Horace’s System. He apparently mentioned Noah, but also didn’t seem to understand that there was a difference. I can confirm as I also talked to Andy briefly about Noah – Andy hadn’t talked to Noah for a while, and seemed really confused about everything related to Noah. He sure looked like Andy Who Fucks, but he was acting more Andy Who Thinks You Have To Pee In Girls’ Belly Buttons And Then A Stork Sees And Drops Off A Baby.
Regarding BOS – I believe that was Horace who said that there are no sides or factions, not Noah. Dismissing the fact that there are people with other points of view, and holding on to his beliefs of predestination as noted in Horace’s call with @shankfx22 (I can’t find the thread rn), all sounds like the false reality of a man on the brink of losing control over his people. He’s attempting to disenfranchise any opposition by saying it’s useless. I believe this is seen by many, and is why support for the resistance grows.
#6 – Regarding my conversation with Mason, I brought up the hair thing. It was a joke to break the ice, as the last time we saw each other he was rubbing me down with oil before kissing his fingers and putting them on my lips. I told him “I thought of you when I was brushing my hair today,” which caught him off guard. Then we talked about how his hair has been super super greasy because of all the oiling he’s had to do, and then talked a little bit about oil treatments and reducing shampoo use.
When you walked over, he got distracted. But when he came back to the conversation, as he had at this point been disarmed (thanks for the assistance!!), I put some pressure on him, asking “What the fuck are you doing here, Mason. You were aligned with the resistance, you were prepping us here, and now you’re fucking prepping people to conceive a pretend god.”
He then brought up our last phone conversation. About how everything is manipulation, and how hiding truth in lies creates uncertainty. He winked and walked away.
Later, as we were walking back to the parking lot and Mason had shown that he was aligned with the resistance, I apologized to Mason for blowing up his spot. We’re good now.
#9 – If anyone called Mason “fellow resistance member,” he would have been burned. By calling him “Fuckface” he was safe as an apparent enemy of the resistance. He was hidden in plain sight.
So with that in mind, Sunday night confirmed that everything Mason did during Anointment, his appearance as “Rubicks Cube Mason,” his assistance in The Honoring ritual, the whole thing, was all manipulation. Hell, the leaked text conversation confirms it.
You know in Star Wars how the Empire is extremely organized and has this hierarchy, and the rebel alliance is much less organized, seemly has factions within it, and more or less accepts help from anyone willing to help, even if it’s temporary? Like.. Han Solo isn’t a great dude, but he helped and ended up highly regarded. It’s sorta like that.
Also, I feel like I need to just auto-append a forum signature with this information, or maybe people that are confused just need to start reading posts about how the BOS works, especially now that our numbers are growing.
BOS IS NOT MORGAN’S ARMY. MORGAN IS THE FACE BUT ULTIMATELY HE’S THE ONE WITH ACCESS TO THE OSDM. Everything BOS has done and continues to do is a choice by the members. Morgan is our most prominent voice and the first spark in the fire, but he’s not The Voice Of God.
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Wow.
That’s a pretty terrifying idea, Megan. You’re suggesting everything–EVERYTHING–we saw was designed to be what we expected to see. What we desired.
That’s even farther than I’d thought to go yet. You’re absolutely right–we have NO proof that the “first/fake” event actually existed–just the “real” one we all went to because Morgan had ‘secured us entrance’. Which, in and of itself, is what we expected to be the case, since we’d very conveniently gotten emails from TMC and a leak that prepared us for JUST that eventuality. Because I don’t know about anyone else, but I expected EXACTLY what happened to happen.
It’s part of what eventually led me to question what we’d seen as being fiction. But you’re going so much further–you’re suggesting even the ‘fiction’ angle is, itself, a manipulation. That it’s quite possibly a fiction of a fiction.
It does bother me a great deal that Sabrina announces her pregnancy at just the right time. Just as Larry gets to save Stephanie. It bothers me a great deal for one reason: as much as I try to make sense of life from a narrative standpoint, life rarely conforms to any actual narrative. People die at the drop of a hat and your story with them doesn’t end–it just stops. Lovers leave you and there’s no solid story reason why–they just disappear. The timing of this one-two punch is a tough one to swallow and just feels….false. It just feels fucking false.
There is the narrative of OSDM vs. BOS.
Then there’s the possibility that the OSDM learned about the ‘infiltration’ and created a -2nd- layer that everyone, BOS included, could believe they’d legitimately infiltrated–while they continued to have the real ritual (or whatever the hell they were actually doing) somewhere else, still.
But you’re suggesting even deeper staging. That we’re missing something else because ANY narrative that suggests OSDM vs. BOS is at least partially fictional. And you may be right. The timing of so much of this was SO on the nose.
If you are right, there’s only a couple ways to figure out where the truth lies. One is to play as though everything is true and look for those cracks in the walls, those glimpses of reality shining in, while living within the narratives being given. That’s the way of trying to break the system from within the system.
The other way is harder; deny everything, question everything, until there is something that actually has certainty–until there comes a place where ‘truth’ cannot be denied. I’ve played that way before–in a lot of my life, actually–and I’ve destroyed relationships and other parts of my life in the process. But on those occasions where I succeeded, I learned something, even if only about myself. But I also know that I’ve damaged myself sometimes, too, even if I succeeded in the end. And I damn sure ruined some relationships forever either way.
Your questions, your points, are damn good ones, Megan. And they’re making me realize that I may finally know what I feel about what happened. I’ll post on it when I can verbalize it.
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@unseenpresence, I think you’re on to something. Is it possible that the “real” ritual might have been what they were doing upstairs??
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Really feeling the got what you desired thing.
Main thing, as @wanda102 mentioned was meeting Joyce. I wasn’t even sure she would even be there, and I actually stood in front of her for a second before it clicked who she was. I spent the rest of my time in the lounge area just chatting with her (She liked it that some people had posted nice things about her on the forums, I liked that she wasn’t dead. Normal stuff, y’know?). It wasn’t something I really expected to happen, but it was something I wanted to happen. It was also a nice moment of calm before everything got much more uncomfortable.
Even then, what happened wasn’t something that I necessarily knew I wanted, but I think I actually did. I ended up on the male anointment track and opted for the towel, but that’s not even something I would have done a year ago. Anna’s read too, felt like something I needed to hear. Neither experience was exactly pleasant, but also a good push to get outside of my damn head.
Why is Rubik’s Cube Mason back? He discarded that persona.
After he met up with BOS in the parking lot, he had gone back to the higher pitched voice he had used for a while, and not what I assumed was his normal speaking voice. -
Great stuff to ruminate on, @coryphella.
There is also the possibility that what we all went through was all just staged in order to prep us for the real Lion’s Den down the road. This all could have been orchestrated by the System 5, made to look and feel like the real thing in order to prep us. There was no second event.
Noah and others have mentioned on multiple occasions that they have been preparing us. Was this event part of the preparation?
I understand that this brings up a ton of odd implications. Why would DLB/CS/GB be there? Unless they really were fired by TPTB and have since aligned with the System 5 in order to see us through this beast, whatever it is.Why they would give us what we desired and tie it up with a pretty bow is a whole other question…?
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Why they would give us what we desired and tie it up with a pretty bow is a whole other question…?
At the risk of stating the obvious: a big part of the OSDM’s The Lust Experience has been about asking three questions:
1. What do you want?
2. What will you do to get it?
3. Who will you become once you do?Everything @coryphella outlines above is explained by those three questions.
Conclusion: all of it was OSDM. Including Morgan and the BOS interruption. (That was integral to @larry getting what he wanted, after all.)
This also explains the staged moment of “conflict” between Morgan and Skullhead / DLB that @rizzzoooooo mentioned in the other thread. It was a faked moment design to create a sense of authenticity that would maximize the emotional response from BOS members.
@addisonborn, I’ve been reading what you’ve been saying about BOS being full of free-minded people, and not just a bunch of folks running around in groupthink. I respect that. But I do think it may be time to ask some really hard questions. -
@bcbishop though we have a few very different opinions on the OSDM, I admit it feels a bit good to agree with you like this again.
Good in the sense that i’m deeply weirded out and terrified, but man, it’s been too long.
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@bcbishop totally agree – now that everything is beginning to settle down, we’ll have much more time to dissect and cross-examine interactions with much more context – and discuss if this context is helpful or misleading as well.
And @coryphella – after reading through your questions a few more times, it really feels like most of the answers we think we have seem to have just poked more holes in what we’ve been assuming was fact. There was a lot of deception and straight up lying happening by all parties, and it’s no doubt going to be an arduous task to uncover what the truth actually is, and how it affects us moving forward.
Bryan, I completely agree with your three questions. I think it’s safe to even venture so far as to say that everyone we met within the OSDM’s walls over the weekend got what they thought they wanted, and ended up objectively worse off for it. And over the past week, there had been a lot of discussion about what we all wanted to get out of this event, and this experience in general.. I’d say most of us got what we think we wanted, at least in some capacity, and I think we’ll all end up being negatively impacted by attaining those desires as well, if we’re not careful.
And even if it feels like we’re not getting what we wanted right now, there’s no doubt that we’re all going to get what we deserve.
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@coryphella that was me that had said Andy told me to be careful of the System and mentioned something off about Noah
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@bcbishop I only got half of what I wanted. The other half nobody on Earth can give to me.
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@larry – yeah well, David Bowie wasn’t there either.
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@coryphella a definite lack of David Bowie happened
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I don’t buy that BOS was putting on an act that night. Granted, I’d only been a member for maybe 12 hours at that point, but I wholeheartedly believe that Morgan was being honest with us. I don’t think the entire Resistance is putting on a narrative with the OSDM to fulfill the wishes of a single or handful of participants. Morgan has always been very “big picture” about all this.
The Jenna thing is driving me crazy. Can anyone confirm whether or not that was really her?
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@kasch I don’t think it’s the same Jenna but if someone can find a picture I can tell you for sure.
Also, did anyone get the “what they wanted or needed” that they wrote on the form after purchasing tickets? They asked 3 questions on that form: what do you want? What do you need? How far is too far?
I know I got what I wanted. An escape. I wanted to escape my mundane life for a few hours and that’s exactly what they gave me so I was satisfied.
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@kasch 100% not the same Jenna
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Just a few random thoughts:
1) Why would the OSDM hold a real and, presumably, very significant ritual in a rented space? If the OSDM has existed for who-knows-how-long, surely they have a permanent HQ somewhere, yes? They acknowledged that the “readings” on the rented space weren’t perfect, anyway. So, why not just default to existing HQ / OSDM party palace?
2) Mentioned previously but, yes, why was Morgan’s replacement van driver the same guy the OSDM used to transport us to the OOA compound last year?
3) Send in the Clowns playing in the van… I can’t help but wonder if someone was mocking us.
4) On Sunday night, why did Morgan mention them “striking the set”? That’s something someone would say if they knew the “real” event we were walking into was actually theatre.
5) Morgan told us the OSDM knew we were coming because they’d been tipped off. So, why go ahead with the raid? Why not change strategy? And, why the long wait so that we could enter at just the right time? It seems an element of surprise would have been more beneficial to our goals.
6) Perhaps what we saw this weekend was both fiction and truth. Perhaps some of the attendees were actual OSDM members, there to witness/take part in the ritual, while others were actors hired by OSDM/DLB/WhoTheFuckKnows to help hide the truth between the lies.
7) As @wintermute stated, “Why was only Steph led to safety? Why wasn’t a hand extended to Skye, Jennifer, or other enslaved handmaidens”? Yes. Good question.
8) Why did we just sort of shuffle out of there after Sabrina’s pregnancy was revealed? I support the ideals of the BOS, but I must admit I was unimpressed by the complete lack of a plan B.
9) What if the OSDM is seeing to it that Morgan, too, feels he’s getting what he most desires (in his own words: revenge)
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@superstar, could not agree with you more. I completely forgot to bring up the “strike the set comment,” but yeah that one has been head scratcher over the past couple days. I think the exact quote after he told us about leak was that they are scrambling (attributed to him no longer receiving his usual signals) and “would be striking the set, and destroying the evidence.”
The way I rationalized the fact that it might be a set and not at OSDM HQ (even though advertised as such) was because you don’t want a bunch of new blood blowing up the spot. Also, I’m sure constantly shifting locations is key when throwing illegal sex parties.
Or it was the System 5 who rented the spot and replicated the HQ.
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And here I come to voice against the idea of it being a stage. “Striking the set and destroying the evidence” could just mean “cleaning everything up.” You strike a set when you’re done with the show–but it can also mean just “cleaning everything up after you’re done”. I’ve called cleaning up after a party at my home “striking the set” before.
If Morgan has any acting experience (even in high school or wherever), he could have just been using the term.
But at the same time, I find the idea of renting a space also somewhat curious–although the idea of moving things around when you’re doing sex cult-y things a potentially valid answer for that.
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@kasch: It’s worth noting that if the OSDM persuaded the BOS and/or Morgan that the event WAS the ‘real’ event, then his reactions with you and others would seem entirely genuine. I’m not saying that’s what happened, but the OSDM can still be manipulating events and the BOS/Morgan still believe that they’ve gotten to the real event. They’re not mutually exclusive.
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@superstar I was actually just mentioning on slack that I had an accidental conversation with the driver on sunday night because I thought my date was still in the building and he had my carkeys so they sent someone to go look for him and the driver was my keeper. From our conversation, if pressed, I would say that the driver is firmly OSDM.
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@pandace88 @wrathofhearts It’s difficult to tell, especially since she was icongnito the last time we saw her, but judging by the Instagram, I think it’s the same Jenna (she went blonde).
Which means she’s alive… and they turned her into a fucking Clown!
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@kasch idk..I’m still holding that it’s a different girl. Their mouths and whole mannerisms are different. I’m sure we’ll find out for sure at some point in the future.
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A couple of questions I have:
-@lilmsfancpants was specifically called out by full name during her 2nd trip through. She was brought upstairs where she was faced with something super hard and unable to handle for her. The only other person we know about that had that experience was Noah Nelson. Why was she singled out and what is it they wanted the 2 of them to be faced with specifically?
-@wanda102 visited the Anointment party twice. Once on Thursday and once on Saturday. She was specifically called on Sunday morning by Stephanie via blocked number and invited to return Sunday night for a 3rd time. They wanted her there. As far as we’ve been able to tell so far, she is the only one that received this call. Why did they want her there so badly, a 3rd time, to witness the ritual?
-Someone among the BOS ranks received the call to arms from @111error on Sunday and sent it to Bryan. Who is the mole and what is their purpose in doing so?
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@meghanmayhem, those are intriguing questions… as far as @wanda102 and her being called I wonder if it wasn’t simply to give her a chance to attend the special last show since she purchased a second ticket? Unless there are others who purchased two tickets and didn’t get a chance? But it does seem fair for her to get that opportunity if everyone else (who bought two) was.
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Just saw this. @sfire8 at least two other people who had bought two tickets were in fact invited back for Sunday, however they were asked to come back while still at the compound during their second visit, while I was doing mine. I appear to be the only person contacted privately on Sunday and told to return, please correct me if that’s not accurate, though. I was also told not to let anyone at brunch/throughout sunday know I “got in,” so when I arrived I let my group that night assume I also was attending with a ticket previously bought for the evening.
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@sfire8, The finale on sunday was our second visit to Lust. We went the night before, saw that more tickets had been released and decided to have another go at it. We signed up for one of the earlier slots. A couple hours later I got a call saying that we were being moved to the 11:30 slot and we would want to be there. Once we got to the 11:30 show we found out that every single person in the group had been there at least once before. We couldn’t figure out why were given the honor of going to the finale, but we wondered if it had anything to do with us purchasing a second pair of tickets. It doesn’t make sense, though, because I’m almost positive there were people who went twice who weren’t moved to the finale on their second time. Whatever it was, I’m incredibly thankful to have been a part of such a special occurrence.
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@rpearl – yes, myself, @bcbishop, @michelle, @addisonborn had already bought tickets to that Sunday show – there may have been others too, I don’t know. Were you the one I spoke to in line before the show about theories?
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