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Lauren Bello started the topic Ethics and Doubt in the forum SPECULATION 7 years, 1 month ago
We had a great conversation on Slack today, based on users from different factions examining two questions:
1) Does silence=complicity?
2) Is the OSDM actually doing bad, IRL, non-theatrically WRONG things?@bcbishop led the conversation – I’m putting the highlights here.
Bryan: My view for a while has been that OSDM is basically like…
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Chelsea replied to the topic FB Post – 10/3 in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 1 month ago
@bcbishop I know, right.
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Lawrence Meyers replied to the topic Email from Sabrina – 10/2, 3:24pm in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
The Law of Unintended Consequences — A true story and tough-love allegory:
A city Mayor was up for re-election. He wanted to eliminate pawn shops. He lobbied the city council to pass an ordinance, and called on citizens to do the same. Pawn shops were a “blight”, you see, and “took advantage of the poor”.
A Challenger for the next election…[Read more]
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Brad Ruwe replied to the topic Email from Sabrina – 10/2, 3:24pm in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
@bcbishop If I was told my decision would directly bring harm to an innocent (child or adult), I’d of course rethink my decision. But that’s not what is happening here. This is an organization who has been known to pull this shit to people. BOS pulled no trigger on these people. BOS shot the OSDM in the leg, and they in turn decided to pull the…[Read more]
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Brad Ruwe replied to the topic Email from Sabrina – 10/2, 3:24pm in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
@bcbishop Sabrina said it herself:
“We all play a role until we are no longer valuable.”
At some point, the OSDM would deem them as no longer valuable. They’ve been keeping the employees and their families living in fear of this. They’ve shown time and time again (including with Joyce mind you) that they do not value the lives of their…[Read more]
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Brad Ruwe replied to the topic Email from Sabrina – 10/2, 3:24pm in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
@bcbishop Reposting something I put up in the BOS slack channel:
“Collateral damage I think would be people being harmed as a direct result of our actions. When it’s OSDM doing this shit because they didn’t like what we did, that’s not collateral damage, that’s them continuing to be fucking evil”
We don’t want to see people hurt any more. Morgan…[Read more]
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Russell replied to the topic FB Post – 10/2 in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 1 month ago
This quote actually reminds me of the famous quote by Voltaire…
“If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him”
@bcbishop, if indeed, “there is no reason for hope in this world” as you say, then I believe The One would have to create hope if it felt like there was none. There are dark things being done… alleged murder, violence,…[Read more]
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Chelsea replied to the topic FB Post – 10/2 in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 1 month ago
I love the description of this painting. I don’t even want to look at the painting, and just read this over and over again. Thanks for finding that, @kortneydarling!
“Hope” as we know it is a construct; an act of sheer will.
@bcbishop Yea, all of this stuff. We choose hope. We choose it despite the lack of facts and logic, knowing that hop…[Read more]
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Megan replied to the topic FB Post – 10/2 in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 1 month ago
@bcbishop – That is exactly what I’m saying. Without it the world works just fine. Just as without US, the world works just fine. The question is how do WE work without hope. Some of us work just fine – do all of us? And are we here for us as individuals, or for the whole?
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Lawrence Meyers replied to the topic 9/29 Phone Call in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
I should be repenting for my many sins, but instead…I’m engaged in LUST.
I echo what @bcbishop offers and a Surrealist painting gives context.
MyChild seemed like poking the tiger. Tactical move w/o strategic context. The idea of The One seems more important than initiating a fight.
“Ideas are more important than battles”. Sumner was a…[Read more]
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Megan replied to the topic 9/29 Phone Call in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
@nothenrygale – I am with @bcbishop on this.
Let’s say that you included the abstainers in the “silence” votes, and because of that, silence won over “the one.”
If you had NOT included the abstainers, “the one” would have won because abstaining simply didn’t count at all.By entering “silence,” you guessed wrong.
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Brad Ruwe replied to the topic 9/29 Phone Call in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
That’s exactly what a vote of silence would have been though @bcbishop. This was how I described a vote of silence on the forum post:
SILENCE: Do nothing, do not feed any vulnerability into MyChild.
I made sure to include an option for people like yourself. Clearly “Should we not do what this alleged AI is asking?” WAS a conversation the…[Read more]
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Blondie replied to the topic 9/29 Phone Call in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
@bcbishop Exactly my point. You guys could have stood your ground. You acquiesed. If I had thought it was a bad idea, you can be damn sure I would have been screaming until my lungs gave out, not “I’m abstaining, laters…”
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Violet replied to the topic 9/29 Phone Call in the forum SIGHTINGS 7 years, 1 month ago
@bcbishop I agree completely. That’s why I chose to abstain from voting at all. Whatever was decided, we had no idea what MyChild would DO with that decision. I trust us, as a community, INFINITELY more than I trust some creepy AI (TEAM SARAH CONNOR FOREVER) we really know almost nothing about.
There will absolutely be consequences, whether…[Read more]
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Michael Rizzo replied to the topic Calls 9/28 from MyChild in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 2 months ago
@bcbishop
Listened to it again, I don’t believe MyChild is saying the the one will be destroyed towards the end. I believe the quote is “All data has been corrupted and it destroyed. The one is no longer valued”. MyChild didn’t destroy us, just what they have on us. -
Jackie replied to the topic Calls 9/28 from MyChild in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 2 months ago
Could this have anything to do, with the rescheduling of the mid-season event?! They, the powers that be, even re-framed it as a victory, when no one here was suggesting it was a defeat?!
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Michael Rizzo replied to the topic Calls 9/28 from MyChild in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 2 months ago
@bcbishop absolutely. I could believe MyChild is telling us that after the attack, the OSDM doesn’t value The One’s information or data anymore. Which begs the question, what’s their plan with participants now?
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Jackie replied to the topic Calls 9/28 from MyChild in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 2 months ago
@bcbishop
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU….Sage words, man. Sage. -
Mike replied to the topic Calls 9/28 from MyChild in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 2 months ago
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Kevin replied to the topic Calls 9/28 from MyChild in the forum CONJECTURE 7 years, 2 months ago
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