Parable of The Workers in the Vineyard ("Take what is yours")

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  • #20760
     Lawrence Meyers 
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    Matthew 20:14 “Take what is yours and go your way. I wish to give to this last man the same as to you.”

    Matthew Chapter 20 is a parable, an answer to Jesus’ followers who asked, “Okay, we gave up everything and are following you. What do we get?”

    The Parable

    A landowner hires workers throughout the day, from 6 AM until 5PM. He promises to pay all the workers fairly. The workers hired at 6AM were told they’d get paid one denarius. At day’s end, he first pays those who were hired last — one denarius. Those hired first expected more but got one denarius.

    They were pissed. The landowner said, “Hey, I told you what you’d be paid. Take what is yours and go away, because it’s my choice to pay this late-hired worker the same amount. Stop being jealous pricks and resentful of my generosity”.

    “Furthermore, it’s my right to do what I want with that which is justly mine. So fuck off”.

    What It Means

    The gestalt reward for following God will be the same whether you come to Him early or late.

    But here’s the good part.

    God also says everyone who follows him will get a reward, but what this reward is, and how it is distributed won’t be the same way that man distributes rewards.

    20:16 “So the last will be first, and the first last…”

    Disciples come to God at different times in their lives, so they should not be surprised if God rewards each person in different and unexpected ways. When you look at various interpretive websites, they actually say: “You get what you deserve”

    Sound familiar?

    God gives to us according to who HE is, not according to who WE are. God won’t be unfair to us, but rather, bestow greater blessings on those who are more deserving of His blessing.

    Even if he comes to the party late i.e. last shall be first. (@bcbishop)

    However, since “the ability to serve God is the gift of His grace,” @nothenrygale got booted. He was bitching over refusing to be treated in a certain manner, insisting he deserves better than this. So God gave him what he truly deserved. Exile.

    Also from the online interpretation:

    “Grace should be especially manifested in our service; it is of grace, not works.

    – All our service is already due to God; it belongs to Him.
    – The ability to serve God is the gift of His grace.
    – The call to serve God is the gift of His grace.
    – Every opportunity to serve is a gift of His grace.
    – Being in the right state of mind to do the Lord’s work is a gift of grace.
    – Success is serving God is the gift of His grace.”

    So all these tasks, which arguably lead us to self-realization (wholeness, Ouroboros, becoming one with God), is merely us serving God. The call to serve God — the inner God, our greater Self.

    And finally, the last phrase from Matthew: “For many are called, but few chosen”.

    Many of us were indeed called.

    What remains is who will be chosen.

    And for what?

    The Sinclair family is said to be direct descendants of Jesus.

    Or are we dealing with someone who is inverting God’s words — by choice or by force — to bring us into what we believe is His grace…

    But is instead….A CONVENIENCE STORE WITH PORN?

    Oh yeah. And “The Resistance”? They are the fucking Romans, and Morgan Fucking Doors…is Pontius Pilate!

    #20764
     Lawrence Meyers 
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    OH, one more thing.

    Noah is a dead man.

    Remember the iConfidant meeting? That bit about pledging ourselves for his sacrifice? It’s Noah’s sacrifice.

    That’s why he’s drunk. That’s why he’s behaving this way. He KNOWS he’s going to be sacrificed, and hates The Father — God aka Horace — because he knows what’s coming. “Why has Thou forsaken me?”

    And remember what he said on the phone — one of you is not who they say they are. That would be Judas.

    Few are chosen. I’m betting 12 of us will be on August 13.

    Who is Judas?

    I think @bcbishop is Paul, by the way.

    And I don’t think we’re talking about resurrecting Jesus here. I’m thinking Noah’s soul is gonna get transmigrated to raise Anoch. And Sabrina will be the High Priestess, or the true Oracle.

    #20766
     Blondie 
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    Firstly, great work @larry. Really enjoyed reading this. So good, so damn good…

    Noah did say he was already dead during Ascension… Meaning, if your theory is correct, this sacrifice has been hanging over his head for a loooong time. How can someone live like that?

    #20767
     Maranda 
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    Nice work @larry! The biblical connections hold up better than I thought they would. Two questions – if Noah is to be the sacrifice, then who or what was sacrificed during the new moon? And what was the change it brought? None of us have the answers yet, I believe.

    #20768
     Megan 
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    @larry – Are you saying that @bcbishop is going to be creating the new Church of Anoch? A possible return to the old ways of Anoch and that’s why Bryan is being asked to tap into his rage and anger?

    #20769
     Megan 
    Participant

    That would also mean that @bcbishop is not one of the 12.

    #20771
     Blondie 
    Participant

    Ok, so I was intrigued enough by this to look at the characters of each of the disciples to see if I could speculate on who might be chosen if this theory comes to anything.

    I enjoyed this summary I found:
    The Apostles

    #20772
     Jackie 
    Participant

    If this hold any water, may be the disciples are also others: Otis. Sarah. Both are good candidates for betrayal.

    (Biblical names? Btw, keeping with the theme. ‘Otis’ Othniel was the first judge of Israel in the Old Testament. Under his rule, Israel had peace for forty years.and Sarah,was the wife of Abraham and the mother of Isaac in the Old Testament. Her grandsons founded the twelve tribes of Israel and through them Sarah became the “mother of many Nations. )

    #20773
     Cassandra 
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    Really interesting, @larry !

    #20774
     Megan 
    Participant

    And now I have Jesus Christ Superstar stuck in my head.

    #20775
     Chris 
    Participant

    Certainly a theory that manages to address almost it all… well done @larry.

    My thoughts went in the same directions as @izryn – if the ultimate sacrifice is Noah, what was the sacrifice made in the new moon and maybe more important, what was the new life/change created by it?

    And also, what would really be the role of the 12 chosen ones? Again, what do they need from you? In the Bible, the main work of the disciples is to spread the word of the Lord… So it would be only a matter of followers? Hardly….

    And how does this fit in the bigger picture (again, the whole picture!) and the “chapters”, if thats what really the words on the logo mean… Noah´s sacrifice will happen only in the last chapter? Or it is something that will happen now… And if it is, and something so big ends only this chapter… One can only imagine what will come next.

    #20776
     Megan 
    Participant

    I’m wondering since we’ve drawn so many parallels to other mythologies (i.e. Egyptian) and occultism as well if we can’t look at ones that Christianity itself drew from when it formed its own mythology. My assumption is that Larry is equating Noah to Jesus Christ here (albeit for much darker purposes) so what are other Christ figures? Osiris? And in other mythologies are there stories in which someone or something is sacrificed before the Christ figure?

    #20777
     Bryan Bishop 
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    Awesome theory as always, @larry. My mind is clearer now. At last, all too well, I can see where we all soon will be.

    #20778
     Melissa 
    Participant

    Wow @larry this is incredible, thank you. If this is all correct then it makes a ton of sense why @mike saw Noah crying at Ascension. Why Noah said “he’s a dead man”.

    When Noah broke into the Registration building with @meghanmayhem and revealed “I pledge my desire for their sacrifice and freedom” I always thought “their” applied to a group of people, not just the one and only Noah. But we’ve been told time and time again that Noah is the face and brand of the SYSTEM. He is the System, the collective whole, the “their“.

    So here’s a question–if Larry is right and we are given the choice–do we stop Noah’s sacrifice?

    #20779
     Chris 
    Participant

    @coryphella , I think Christ could also be Horus in the Egyptian mythology… Resurrection and all. Wich puts Horace as what? Osiris or Ra (the mythology changes for source to source). And If Noah is Osiris, maybe we have a role for little Timmy later on, to revenge his dad…

    “In his 1949 book The Hero with a Thousand Faces, Joseph Campbell advanced the theory that a single myth stood behind the stories of Krishna, Buddha, Apollonius of Tyana, Jesus, and other hero stories.[90] In his later The Masks of God: Occidental Mythology Campbell stated “(i)t is clear that, whether accurate or not as to biographical detail, the moving legend of the Crucified and Risen Christ was fit to bring a new warmth, immediacy, and humanity, to the old motifs of the beloved Tammuz, Adonis, and Osiris cycles.”

    (someone here talked already about Campbell´s Hero Journey, witch could be a guide line for the script here…)

    Food for thought: “Horus had only four disciples (called ‘Heru-Shemsu’), but at some point in his story there is reference to sixteen followers and a group of unnumbered followers who join Horus in battle (called ‘mesnui’).[…]
    Horus is not reported to have died at all in the vast majority of Egyptian narratives. There is also no crucifixion story. Instead, Horus is usually described as eventually merging with Re (the Sun god) after which he “dies” and is “reborn” every day as the sun rises. There is a parallel account describing Horus’ death and detailing how he was cast in pieces into the water, later fished out by a crocodile at Isis’ request.”
    http://coldcasechristianity.com/2014/is-jesus-simply-a-retelling-of-the-horus-myth/

    Also, for fun:

    “Some authors have argued that certain similarities exist between Dionysus and the traditional Christian portrayal of Jesus.[…]Another parallel can be seen in The Bacchae where Dionysus appears before King Pentheus on charges of claiming divinity, which is compared to the New Testament scene of Jesus being interrogated by Pontius Pilate.[11][18][19] However, a number of scholars dispute this parallel, since the confrontation between Dionysus and Pentheus ends with Pentheus dying, torn into pieces by the mad women, whereas the trial of Jesus ends with him being sentenced to death.” (its a parallel that is mostly dismissed, but with the drinking and all, you know…)

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