FB post 4/13/17: Love all, trust a few

[Melissa]

I’ll add in a bit

[Melissa]

Notables:

1.) Michelangelo’s David

2.) “Love all, trust a few….the rest of that should be “do wrong to none.” Interesting that the last bit is left out.

3.) Shakespeare All’s Well That Ends Well….personally haven’t read this one so anybody with insight, I’d love to hear it!

[Chris]

I was thinking the same thing, @mkarrett, a striking omission. Is it because they know they won’t be able to live up to the last third of that quote? Or are just unwilling?

[Megan]

All’s Well kind of sucks. In 2001 I worked on a very small production of it in SF at Theatre Rhinoceros (which I believe is no longer there?) which was (groan) a bdsm-themed version of it. It starred one of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence and she stormed into the light booth one night to yell at me for missing a light cue.

But anyway.

It’s considered one of his problem plays, it’s not well loved, not produced often, not really a comedy. And…I think there’s a bed trick in it that could be construed as female rape? She gets the guy by getting herself pregnant off him while he thinks he’s fucking someone else. So, yay. REALLY problematic.

[Anonymous]

Well “All’s Well That End’s Well” is one of the “problem” plays because it’s a muddled mix of comedy and tragedy. It is the play that includes the infamous “Bed trick”! Very controversial…

[Anonymous]

@coryphella haha!! Literally posted at the same time! Yea, it’s really one of his worst in my opinion. Helena is just constantly chasing after a man who CLEARLY doesn’t want her and she just tricks him into sleeping with her and traps him into a life with her forever…but All’s Well That End’s well ??‍♀️??‍♀️

[Melissa]

^ exactly @macbethinabathtub

that or it’s Lust way of saying “ok love your community and confide with a few you trust….but back-stab to rise to the top all you want”. I mean, this is Lust and power grabs have been seen in play already with Sarah/Noah.

[Megan]

@clairebuch – yeah I had to pause to go back to my husband, who’s the actual Shakespeare expert – I’m the non-narrative weird theater person in the house – and say “this is THAT play, right?” I could really go my entire life and never see another Shakespeare and not care one bit.

[Mike]

@clairebuch said:

Helena is just constantly chasing after a man who CLEARLY doesn’t want her

What if Sarah is Helena? And if Noah is interested in @lilmsfancpants, then this could get interesting.

[Chris]

Also copy that to all concerned about All’s Well being one of Shakespeare’s worst. The quote in question is much less interesting in context– one of a paragraph of generic platitudes the Countess gives to her son on the first page as she bids him goodbye as he heads to his new job. The dialogue between Parolles and Helena equating maintaining virginity to warfare is slightly more entertaining, but probably not specifically relevant.

[Anonymous]

So @lilmsfancpants maybe Sarah is about to set Noah up for a “bed trick” of sorts…trying to trap him forever against his will!

What a tangled web we weave…

[Cristen]

Didn’t they leave out an important follow up line to the Oscar Wilde quote too if I’m not mistaken? Either they’re cherry picking what fits their model, or it thematically fits with the idea of finding a “missing piece” to something, which can change the whole meaning.

[Melissa]

I wanted to touch on the usage of Michelangelo’s David. The subject is from the Old Testament “David and Goliath”, right before he actually fights Goliath. David statue is pretty well known and symbolizes strength and young beauty (damn yesterday we had Dorian Gray who was at one point a good lookin’ lad, now David).

So….why David? In the story Goliath is a giant dude whereas David, normal human dude. Basically the tale of the underdog triumphs over all sorts of odds staked against him. Could this be alluding to the ‘losers’ becoming “winners”? Something else?

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