Why do YOU follow?

[Nosnevets]

After losing Buz last night as king of the losers, I’d like to step in as a another OG representative who was given the title of “loser,” helping usher those from the dark into the light. Rather than claiming to be the king though, I’d like to state this: you all are amazing. Those of you I met last night truly have your own voices, skills, and ways of seeing things. In fact, I almost guarantee that you each with your own skills make up for what some others lack in this community, and together are strong. Where you fail, another may match you with something they succeed in – which makes these divisions very interesting. Do you not see they are trying to divide us and conquer through our own backstabbing? So, rather than lead as a pretender to the throne, I’d like to point out that you all have good and clever heads on your shoulders. Together you can do a lot of damage. Not just the losers, either – but everyone in the community. Which brings up another interesting point for me: I think the word “losers” is perhaps triggering some egos. Don’t think of it that way. Take it back. Instead of thinking in terms of winners, losers, and maybes, think in different terms. Make up your own. Why let them control you or how you think? I personally vote for “sexual wank-pheasant,” because it makes me giggle. But I’m open to other ideas, obviously. I’m a sexual wank-pheasant, and I’m proud.

So, this sexual wank-pheasant had a question for the rest:

Why do you follow?

Or, rather:

Why do you blindly follow when you can lead?

You don’t know a thing about Noah Sinclair, and he hasn’t proven anything to you. There’s no evidence that he’s done anything for anyone. You’re just taking his website’s word that he has had success in taking winners. But I don’t see any testimonials. No one’s coming out of the woodwork to tell us they’re now filthy rich and finishing on others’ wives’ tits because of him. Noah doesn’t want this kind of rags-to-riches story, even though that could potentially help his business countless times over. Instead, he wants people who are already like him. How is that going to gain him anything? That’s just more competition. I could ask what made you email Noah the way you did? What were you looking for? Were you just playing the game and seeing where it went? Would it be too daring to say you were looking for help in-game or out? That perhaps he had something to say that would actually be of some relevance to help you in your own life? I mean, we do live in this world, a world full of so many problems, political, social, ecological… Do we have the wrong systems in place? Or the wrong people at the helm? We all have faults and to some degree we are all self-seeking, lacking in knowledge, courage, afraid of death or pain (most of us), and unwilling to cooperate with others. We all get self-conscious and think, “it’s me that’s wrong, if only I could be the right person. Is this man going to tell me something that will change me? Will I be more creative, will I be more cooperative, will I be a better-functioning member of society?” But the problem in that is that in order to improve “me,” I have to look to others to improve, because I don’t know how to improve myself. But how can someone else improve me if they don’t know how to help themselves? I am in need of improvement, yet the person who is going to do the improving is the one who needs to be improved. And so a paradox. To connect this to the idea from Tension: if seeking enlightenment in Buddhism, to attain Nirvana you must get rid of desire. In Sanskrit, “Nirvana” means “to breathe out” where desire is “to breathe in.” If you hold your breath too long you’ll lose it. If you breathe out it comes back to you. It’s a never ending cycle and a necessary one. Which reminds me that no matter what happens in this forum, you are both yourself and your shadow self at the same time. It’s necessary to have both sides. Or to look more psychologically at it, your id, ego, and superego all work together simultaneously to make you who you are. There’s no getting away from that.

So if you want life, don’t cling to it. Let go. But if you desire not to desire, isn’t that also desire? Hmm. Is there a way to improve yourself? Or do you just have to be yourself, knowing you are imperfect and being okay with that? Doing what thou will. Well, that sounds very much like Noah’s teachings already. Maybe he is onto something. Or maybe just by that, he’s given you all you need already. Why should you listen to him? Why should you be bothered? It sounds like you can fix yourself just by forgetting you need fixing. Loving, experiencing, becoming one with who you already are. Knowing your place. Adding your skill to the deficit in others. Isn’t that what meditation does? Connects you with your higher self? Who you already are? Do you actually become different or do you become more you? Are you just revealing to yourself what is already there? By unmasking the ego, do you start to identify with your higher self? It’s that the game? The religious game? The game of life?

Picture this: you feel that emptiness within you. From a young age even. As you grow up you find simple pleasures that make that feeling go away. Food, candy, masturbation, sex, possessions… Eventually they don’t do enough for you. So you unmask that and you move up. You go to art, literature, music, poetry, film,… Progressively looking for more complex things as you discover them. Maybe you even get stuck in a niche. You found film; you found the internet; you found pornography, hardcore pornography, autoerotic asphixiation, so on. You keep seeking. Others find religion, psychoanalysis, meditation, but none of these eventually are enough. You’re still seeking what you were when you were chasing down candy bars and getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar. You keep seeking help in others but they can’t even help themselves. “Let me help you… or you’ll drown,” said the monkey to the fish as he set it on the tree branch. Think of how many riots have been in the name of religion and the ideals of being in the right. Think of those who were hurt by manifest destiny and the spread of white culture and technology. “I’m helping you! But here is crippling alcoholism and trading your fellow man info slavery.” The road to hell is paved with good intentions. You must realize there is nothing you can do because you don’t know what is better for yourself, let alone others. There is nothing you can do better. Is that a relief? Did a weight just come off your shoulders? Maybe not. Maybe you’re thinking “what do I do now then?” Well: Watch. Learn. Be. All growth is something that just happens. But for it to happen you must 1. Be able to express what happens and 2. Get out of your own way. 3. Read, listen, watch, experience. Take your interests and further them. That’s the difference between school when you’re younger and University. When you’re young you have to go. When you’re older you go for things you’re interested in. You get to go. You notice things and you sure yourself and your interests. This is why Noah should be going for those wanting to better themselves. They have interest while the others may be bored with what they already know. Unless by “future humans,” Noah is only looking into genetically changing people who are already at his level. At that point, to quote the great Doctor Malcolm, “science was so concerned with whether it could, it didn’t stop to ask if it should.” Because, again: who is to say what is good for you? Let alone someone else? There you get into Mengele experiments territory.

Paying attention to things already said here before, in Sarah’s own words Noah is just a “brand”, the flavor of the week. If that is so, Addison was the brand last year. The OSDM is the manufacturer. Why are we hung up on the brand when we could be figuring out the inner workings of the above? Noah is a small fish that talks a big game. But he’ll starve if we don’t feed him, no matter how big the pond. Are you going to realize you are the shark? Or are you going to go on cleaning the glass? Or perhaps are you going to realize you’ve already evolved and sprouted legs, and that you have the ability to get out and find the hand that pours the flakes? You are the most dangerous game. Remember that. Either you stand and fight on your own two feet, or you better rent some kneepads because at least that’s one soreness you’ll be able to prevent.

We’ve known for a long time that this is no game. We were made to choose sides, to fight amongst ourselves. Then it was revealed who the real story was about. Everyone is commenting that Lust is a dark reflection, a shadow version of Tension. Even down to similar dates when things start happening for events or goings-on. Last year, we joined a noticeably dark website and were told to crawl out of the darkness by our own volition and seek the light. This year, everything is bright and golden – yet we turn around and are scared by our own shadows. But this doesn’t signify 6 more weeks of winter. Instead, it means you are not yet out of the darkness. You are still doubtful. You do not yet have the sight to truly see. You are being lied to. We found out that neither faction, the OOA nor BOS, was truly worth fighting for last year. It was all a brainwashing of people to think we’re within a world when we truly weren’t. Neither faction was true, but was merely a better story made up by the OSDM to collect data on our reactions. Are you going to fall for the same trick this year? Or do you realize we have bigger fish to fry than this new brand of characters?

Think about it: Noah told us a lot of things. He told Bryan he would blackmail him if he let any of it get out, that he wanted to use his status as an influencer. Well, Bryan told us everything that happened. Noah no longer had the power. Did he end up blackmailing Bryan? No! He’s all talk. If Noah was a toupee, a chinstrap couldn’t make him look more fake. “I’m already dead” so what is he… a god? Then the solution is easy: in order to kill a god, you must stop believing in them – and it sounds like most of us already have, and another good portion never did to begin with. What kind of people the OSDM has put their faith in… SMH

[Anonymous]

I’m listening. Still processing, but damn. Thank you for that.

[Anonymous]

Very interesting. I think what is so clever with the OSDM is that they create such elaborate narratives with so many entry points. In Tension, there was Addison. As I think they said at the final event, she was the perfect tool as everyone could relate to her in a different way. Intrigued by the brainwashing, a desire to help her, relating to her struggles as a small girl in a big city trying to get by. Take your pick, there’s many more facets to that than I can be bothered listing. 😛

And the same is with Noah and his Competition. Some may see it as an insult to their person, that they are already good enough, don’t need the extra help and therefore see him as an antogonistic figure. Others may see him (like myself) as an opportunity. Because yes, sometimes a little push from an outside source is what is necessary to get your own mind thinking in the most productive way. Sure, the motivational speaker thing is definitely phony. As you said, no success stories flaunted or anything. But I did get something out of my very small interaction with an obviously premade and un-individualised email saying that I was not eliminated but not chosen either.

I was to reply with what I want the most and what is holding me back. And I did. And the process of answering a few small questions was far more enlightening than any advice from someone else. Because I know what I want and have now identified what has been holding me back. Therefore, I have the power to overcome my obstacles.

I think that is the true strength of Noah and his company. Because most of the time, we have the answers already. We just need someone to ask the right questions.

So to answer your question, do I follow? I do not follow, I seek and hunt. I answer.

[superstar]

Excellent read, @nosnevets.

[Bryan Bishop]

THIS. Thank you for writing this @nosnevets. It’s the thing that I’ve been grappling with ever since that blackmail attempt. Somebody as impressive as Noah Sinclair claims to be wouldn’t need to blackmail people for attention and coverage — he’d already have it. Somebody as impressive as Noah Sinclair claims to be wouldn’t need to hit up @mike and @russell with talk about self-marketing; he’s be so famous and well-known, he wouldn’t need it. Instead we’ve got a guy that does a lot of fronting, tries to intimidate, but has yet to demonstrate why we should pay him any attention at all. Instead, he uses our desire to be chosen and selected, and to attain the things we want, to lure us in and divide us.

As you say, he’s the bait — just as Addison was. But his tactics only work if we allow them to. Sunlight is the best disinfectant, and in this case that means open and honest communication within the community.

Now, I won’t pretend that I’m not curious about what game “Noah Sinclair” really is running (or who is running him). We know there’s something bad there, something so dark that the former creators have warned us to stay away at all costs. But the truth is, right now we just don’t know. I’m hoping we learn more from our brave focus group participants tomorrow.

Godspeed, everyone.

• This reply was modified 7 years ago by Bryan Bishop.

[Kimberly Stewart]

Quick note:

During Tension the majority of participants were very willing to jump blindly in with the OOA. Mind you,at least in my opinion, OOA was clearly a cult from the get go. They engaged in creepy things (ex: Rosemary’s eyes) and were not transparent whatsoever.

This time people are much less likely to jump blindly in with Noah Sinclair.

Are we more cynical as a whole now, after having gone through Tension? Is there some glaring difference in the presentations that made us more apt to go with OOA, but less apt to follow Sinclair?

[Mustafa Said]

To answer @electrichippo, I joined up with the OOA originally due to the mystery surrounding it. I was curious and wanted to see what they were all about and as time went on, I felt drawn to them.

The OOA and Noah are, in my opinion, offering the same thing-a way to change yourself into being a better person-but through two different pathways:

The OOA was doing it through faith and fostering a community of the faithful.
Noah is doing it by tapping directly into desire, ambition and in some regards greed-drawing it out of us and giving us the tools to channel those feelings into actions that will change us.

I wouldn’t consider myself more cynical with Noah’s take on it. I simply leaned more heavily on the change through faith since that clicked with me and Noah’s version of change is the polar opposite of who I am so I don’t click with that nearly as easily.

[Bryan Bishop]

Good questions, @electrichippo. The brashness of Noah’s site certainly seemed to set people off in different ways — perhaps making them less inclined to play ball than they were with the mysterious cult lure of The OOA.

What’s most fascinating is that despite all of that, when it comes down to split-second decisions, sometimes the Shadow does come out (as @larry has explained so well). Fear of missing out, or the desire to be selected, overrules all – ultimately proving we may all be willing to act just like Noah, even if we don’t think we buy into his sales pitch.

[Kimberly Stewart]

Good point @bcbishop. During Tension I was approached by so many people who wanted info on alternatives to the OOA (ie. BOS) but when I’d ask them if they were willing to jump ship, the majority said no. The reason wasn’t because they didn’t see the allure of a shadow organization like BOS, but that they were “afraid to miss out” on some opportunity the creators might have had for them with OOA. BOS was an unknown variable and held no guarantees. People seemed to feel the odds were in their favor if they chose OOA.

This is a valid way to make choices and a quite interesting phenomenon of people as a whole.

Edited to add:

I hear you 100% @mumumusings. You were always one of the most faithful. The OOA was fortunate to have people like you. You gave them credibility and heart in some of the times they needed it most.

• This reply was modified 7 years ago by Kimberly Stewart.

[Andrew Kasch]

The thing about the OOA, OSDM, Sinclair, etc is that – despite their all-seeing Illuminati tactics and their methods of making us vie for their attention – they NEED US. Without us, they are powerless – and I think that’s something we as a community all feel now.

So when you ask me who I follow now, the answer is the only person I’ve ever followed: Myself.

@electrichippo said that people were blindly following the OOA, but I don’t see that at all. Even at the deepest points in our Indoctrination with the OOA, we were always in control of our own decisions. Always questioning. And those on the BOS side, for all their talk of free thought, were unknowingly following the OOA anyway.

My point is, we were following ourselves. Our need to explore, discover, and challenge our identities. In a way it doesn’t matter what organization we follow, as long as they offer that to us.

That’s my stance on Noah Sinclair. If he offers that to me, I will gladly step into his world. If not, fuck him. Either way, I’m in control.

• This reply was modified 7 years ago by Andrew Kasch.

[Kimberly Stewart]

I’m not sure any of us would make the same exact choices in the most real of real worlds as we do in this OSDM/Tension/Lust world. If we want to play the game, as it were, we have to take a stance within the parameters laid out, or find some wiggle room or a compromise that won’t play us right out the door.

If we push too hard we might find ourselves @rizzzoooooo’d. If we decide be passive we find ourselves risking losing character interactions. Etc. This isn’t a game of winning or losing but if you don’t play you can’t win so to speak.

You’re right @kasch. “Blindly” is the wrong word. The reasons people chose to follow OOA were as varied as the people, as @mumumusings has reminded me today.

On the flip side, I never felt choosing BOS made me better, smarter or more elite. It was merely the way that made most sense for me to play. I struggled too much with the teachings and perceived rules of the OOA. If OOA had been the only option I’d have become the peanut gallery throwing tomatoes at the screen… and sidelined right out of play.

[Meghan Mayhem]

@kasch

That’s my stance on Noah Sinclair. If he offers that to me, I will gladly step into his world. If not, fuck him. Either way, I’m in control

100% in agreeance with you on this.

[Melissa]

Yes exactly @kasch. I am absolutely curious to see what Noah has to offer although for the record I think his website persona is absolutely off-putting (and that’s an understatement). He’s an asshat on his website.

However that’s just him online, were he has all the disconnect and can play up this Big Successful Dude all he wants. What is he actually like? What are his actual methods to be successful? That’s what I want to find out. I have personal deficits that need help, maybe he can offer up advise/method/life coaching that I haven’t thought of. And if he doesn’t want me to ultimately join, cool, IDGAF. His loss. I kinda feel like I have nothing to lose and he only has more to gain by allowing people like you, Kasch, into his system.

Again, if he ultimately doesn’t, or maybe he’s just a giant douche and actually doesn’t do anything to benefit us then byeeeeee Gina, bye.

[Brian E]

Well said @nosnevets you’ve always been an amazing supporter of everyone, and people such as yourself accepted me with open arms, and well are all there to help everyone rise together. Last night is a perfect example of this strong community of fantastic personalities of all types, when last min @lasalle could not make it to the Focus Group tonight. Most people didn’t choose themselves, but instead chose other people and that was amazing to see that take place that’s just helps the community grow, and that’s what we are going to need once Noahsinclair tries to rip us all apart.

Why do I follow: I’m not sure I do, Loser club is a great concept, and one that I’ll continue to support and we should continue having meetings, Loser club was a place for everyone who isn’t directly chosen by Noahsinclair, so it a great way to introduce new people into our crazy world. Eventually Noah will call someone and they will turn down his offer, when someone feels they are strong enough to resist what he is offering he’ll start to loose his power, and that’s when things will get really interesting.

[Anonymous]

Coming in as an outsider with relatively no idea what is what, who is who, etc, I can only answer with personal experience that doesn’t pertain to this experience. I choose not to follow anyone as of this moment. In fact, I’m quite enjoying being a neutral observer and seeing where things go purely because jumping in has been pure confusion.

I definitely won’t follow Noah or any cults because I am familiar with the vernacular and the intent behind similar groups of people. I know the warning signs and it is not my scene.

[Nosnevets]

Wow, Noah admitted to having “too many?” Doesn’t sound like him to admit losing control. Now, he’s been arrested – and not only that, but his wife is pressing people to contact her if they hear from him? I’m starting to think he didn’t write a word of that website. It’s almost like he’s Sarah’s “brand,” and she’s the one writing all the content… I bet she’s just reeling that her “brand” is acting in such a way, that she can’t control him and her product is falling apart. How much trust do you put in this “System” if she can’t even handle that?

So, I guess that shifts the point of my prior argument onto her. How does SHE know what’s best for you? How can she help you when she can’t even care for her husband? Did she know he was type 2? Did she try and stop him from drinking? Or did she push him toward it somehow? They’re both tragic figures who had it all and are now scrambling to even save face. It’s a pity. I bet the OSDM is just shaking in anger knowing they could do better. This house seemingly had glass walls, and all the cracks are appearing. How long before it shatters? They better shield themselves from the shards.

@ziegenbart That’s all you can do. Keep listening, keep paying attention, make your own decisions. Thanks for reading.

@superstar Thanks for reading. Stay you.

@mistere Thanks man, I appreciate that. I try to be open and welcoming to everyone. In fact, sometimes I feel responsible; like it’s my duty to keep up with all of you. It might be conceited to say, but sometimes I feel like I helped to build this community with my parties, bringing people together in the name of us all being in this together no matter what team you end up on.

@birdiesrunamok Welcome! I think that is definitely the smart play. Last year, I was neither OOA nor BoS because I needed more information; both organizations seemed to be keeping secrets from us and had no proof that really convinced me one way or the other. The OOA seemed like a cult, but they also offered great benefits to my life that everyone seeks, I think. In addition to that, actually walking through the warehouse, I met various people who seemed happy to be there – or at least felt that it was better than the outside world. Some didn’t seem happy at all there… those I worried for. BoS was sure – beyond sure -that the OOA was a cult and an evil organization. Yet they wouldn’t share why they thought that. I couldn’t make a leap of faith without some transparency and evidence. Though, in the last few weeks leading up to the end, I felt myself leaning more and more toward BoS by the day, even going so far as to ask more than a couple people within the organization if it would be possible to join so late in the game and trying to find out more information. But alas, in the end I stayed a Wyld Stallyn. At the end I found it to be fruitless either way because it was all smoke and mirrors. It was all lies made up by the OSDM to manipulate us, and the OSDM was the true story. That’s what I’m asking people to remember here.

@bcbishop

Somebody as impressive as Noah Sinclair claims to be wouldn’t need to blackmail people for attention and coverage — he’d already have it.

I’d even go as far as to say he wouldn’t need influencers at all. His name should speak for itself.

Instead we’ve got a guy that does a lot of fronting, tries to intimidate, but has yet to demonstrate why we should pay him any attention at all. Instead, he uses our desire to be chosen and selected, and to attain the things we want, to lure us in and divide us.

Oh, wait… you already said that.

@electrichippo @mumumusings @bcbishop @kasch You brought up my exact sentiments. Why do we follow that which we don’t know? Last year, quite a few of us blindly jumped into the arms of the OOA all in the name of a game, mystery, intrigue, saving someone, figuring this thing out, or even FOMO. Now we know the truth, yet we still jumped at the chance. How are we not more skeptical at this point? I, for one, am more concerned with the “Presented by the OSDM” bit. They are the dangerous ones, no? They are the viper in the bird-nest. Are we little chickadees? Or are we the mongoose? I agree that we mustn’t follow. We must lead. Or follow ourselves as you said @kasch

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