February 19, 2017 at 10:57 am #981
Did you get an email today?
Did it say this?
Unfortunately for you, you have clearly displayed that you are the latter.
Yeah, me too, bummer. Maybe we’re the lucky ones, are you calling the number or writing back, or accepting your fate this early on.
At first I was going to email right back, and then I though nah, I’ll give it some thought on how to proceed. Feel free to share your personal emails if you want.
February 19, 2017 at 11:10 am #985JeremyParticipant
I thought it was strange that she called me a loser then said they were going to take all my money and power. So I already have money and power, the things Noah would say makes you a winner, and yet am still a loser?
February 19, 2017 at 12:03 pm #1004
With my response I hope Noah/Sarah see that while I may not have the sort of personality that HE considers a “winner”, I’m still not one to be ignored and I will work to expose him and his system.
February 19, 2017 at 12:25 pm #1013
February 19, 2017 at 2:08 pm #1050
For anyone interested, my email from Sarah was the same loser email as others with the added first line:
Is the tone of your email sarcasm? Or, is the chip on your shoulder really that large and heavy.
And my response:
Was it sarcasm? Probably – very little I say isn’t sarcasm, it’s something of a defense mechanism. It’s how I simplify my needlessly complex emotions. It was also an attempt to talk with you on your level, speak your language, as it was the same tone that was present throughout your website. Think of my email as a mirror.
So you and your clients are coming to take my money and power? And are you after the portion of that power that always wants evil, and always causes good? I would be careful, for while I have reached out and taken what is mine throughout my entire life, enthusiastically and passionately, I’ve found myself with very little money or power to show for it on the other side, only contentment, creative fulfillment, cats, and mounting debt. I am most certainly what one might call a “skeptical atheist,” however I seek no power, pride, or enlightenment for myself and in general have no adversaries in life. Such things are a waste of time. I am sorry if you choose to spend your energy on them, and I pity anyone who feels the need to amass an army out of a need to “conquer” those that don’t fear them.
I have often in my life found myself in the position of having to decide between two things and, like Huck Finn, have said “all right then, I’ll go to hell” in order to maintain my own moral code as an individual. Also, in case you were wondering yes the chip on my shoulder is rather large – 2586 square feet, which is roughly the size of Luxembourg.
February 19, 2017 at 2:10 pm #1053MarandaParticipant
Another loser here! All because I asked a question. Good riddance, Sinclair’s system isn’t something decent people should be a part of anyway. And if it turns out to be outright predatory or a money cult, you bet I’ll be ready to help take it down.
February 19, 2017 at 2:13 pm #1055
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February 19, 2017 at 6:55 pm #1115ChloeParticipant
This may be reaching, but I wonder if there’ll be another company or something that might take on the people that didn’t get into Noah’s company. Maybe it’ll be something like when the society Michelle was with (can’t remember the name right now) was fighting against the OA?
February 20, 2017 at 10:46 am #1187
Count me in as part of the loser’s club. Got my email a little while ago.
My email opened with, ‘Wow Dawson, look at your big vocabulary.’ and proceeded with the standard boilerplate losers language.
Two things of interest. First, I didn’t sign my email(see below) with my name-only my first initial. So Sarah got my name from my email address.
Secondly, Sarah is condescending with my big vocabulary. The same vocabulary that Mr. Sinclair uses. Hmmm.
So, playing with their rules, got me a no invite to the seminar. They are preying on the weak, and dismiss anyone the Sinclairs deem a threat. I welcome my entrance into the Loser’s Club.
And like the Loser’s Club in “It”, it is our duty to bring down the likes of the Sinclairs (the monster/devil). So let’s “Stop Asking for Their Permission” and “Take What’s Ours”. Who is with me?
Your System has already taught me something…
…I don’t give a fuck if you are busy. Your rules don’t apply to me.
If you want me to put money in your pocket, you are going to contact me within 24 hours about a live training session.
Scratch, that. Give me one good reason why I should pay a prick like you to “teach” me to be “attractive” when you can’t even get out of paying your tax bill. Surely an “attractive” person as yourself has the power to avoid those high tax bills. Not a leader I would follow.
February 20, 2017 at 11:20 am #1200
February 20, 2017 at 10:51 am #1189
February 20, 2017 at 11:02 am #1191
So, being not interested/standing up for one’s self = being a loser. Interesting that they replied at all. The Sinclairs are preying on the weak. Using fear to gain power.
February 20, 2017 at 11:05 am #1192
I definitely don’t agree with their “loser/winner” mentality but I also don’t believe that all the people who they’re interested in are “weak” but I do understand what you’re trying to say. They definitely seen to be drawn towards a certain temperament.
February 20, 2017 at 11:07 am #1193Kimberly StewartParticipant
I applaud your passion @dawsonc, but have to question the “science” behind your conclusion. Are you assuming all of us who were accepted sent in a reply that was, for example, ass kissing and meek? While those refused were all, for example, bold and dismissive? I’ve spoken to many who received replies back from The System and I can attest this isn’t the data being reported.
February 20, 2017 at 11:11 am #1196
My email to them wasn’t aggressive but it also wasn’t one seeking their help or approval. I literally just quoted one of their lines to then (the one about not giving a fuck) and said it sounded like me in college and asked to be signed up for more info.
I also left a voice mail saying I don’t 100% agree with his system but I’d be willing to participate in a training as a learning experience. I’m a curious person. I just want to know what’s going on. But hear me when I say I don’t believe anyone here is a loser! Fuck them for even saying that to anyone.
February 20, 2017 at 11:24 am #1202LenizeParticipant
So perhaps they are looking for something completely different in their participants and what you said is not that relevant as whether you have that specific thing, so if two people messaged the same type of message they would get different answers based on whatever that “special” something is.
- This reply was modified 4 years, 11 months ago by Lenize.
February 20, 2017 at 11:45 am #1214
Have any of the ‘Losers’ called the number to get in the good graces of the Sinclairs?
February 20, 2017 at 11:51 am #1215
February 20, 2017 at 4:02 pm #1249SageParticipant
I don’t think it’s about being weak or strong, I think it was more if you seemed interested in attending the seminar or not? I mean if you don’t want what they’re selling why would you want to go? But I do believe with all the thought put into dividing people, there is lots in store for all!
February 20, 2017 at 9:02 pm #1280
Obviously we don’t have what it takes to be winners. At some point, the Sinclairs will “separate everyone into two simple categories: winners and losers.” I don’t know if Noah and Sarah are looking to build an army, as some have suggested. Or are preying on the winners to some nefarious end.
The unpicked group (person with no reply, need to fill a questionnaire, etc) will probably end up in one of the camps.
I did not participate, but weren’t there two basic groups in Tension?
What is our next step, for those deemed losers? Do we call Sarah(Noah) back, and plead our respective case?
February 20, 2017 at 9:11 pm #1281
@dawsonc in Tension there were two factions, but they were ones that we chose: Brothers of Seraph and OOA. Both took certain actions and certain events were only available to some, but it took us months to get to that point, and our loyalties and our decisions were what placed us under each banner, not an email.
I’m hesitant to say anything based off of what Tension did, as I don’t doubt there will be all kinds of differences. However, if now is anything like then, we’ll be seeing Noah’s counterpart to lead the “resistance” in no time.
Or have one raised from us.
February 22, 2017 at 7:56 am #1376Maxwell RParticipant
Noah has denied me but has successfully infected my brain.
February 22, 2017 at 11:42 am #1383
Fellow “Loser” here =)
Even though the email we got called us losers, I think we can all have a lot of fun with this.
We have nothing to lose and everything to gain!
February 22, 2017 at 12:58 pm #1387
This has all the hallmarks of your classic “Motivational Speaker” scam. Ask yourselves, if someone is THAT successful, why has nobody ever heard of him? If he really believed the shit he says, then why would he even bother to “help” you, or anyone else? The answer is that he wants something that YOU have, not the other way around.
If his entire ethos is built around being a cruel, merciless, exploitive jerk, that’s not someone who has anything to offer you. That’s someone who can only *take* from you, while providing nothing of substance in return. Clearly, we all have something that Mr. Sinclair wants, otherwise, why would he be pitching his system to us? Is it money? Is it information? Is he looking for an army of sycophants to suck his dick on command? Whatever it is, it’s not to your benefit.
Why do “Motivational Speakers” have the job that they do? Because that’s all they *can* do. They’re former used-car salesmen/bullshit artists that can work a room, but the closer you look, the more obvious it is that all they really want is your money, or control over you. Cults like OOA are not that different.
If Noah was really as successful as he says he is, he would know that surrounding yourself with a bunch of weak-minded sycophants is a *TERRIBLE* way to build a successful business, and a classic way to start a cult-like group. People with genuine solutions welcome questions, and skepticism. Their results can speak for themselves. Men like Noah Sinclair are *afraid* of your questions, because he doesn’t have answers. Rather than answer a question, they will distract and bully you instead. They will change the subject, or belittle you for even asking. “Of course I know what <X> is, I’m just seeing if YOU know!” This is amateur-hour bullshit.
Cults don’t have to be religions, take Landmark/The Forum/EST as a classic example. Noah *REEKS* of Landmark. If anyone gets to one of his sessions, see what happens if you try to take a bathroom break. He stole the rest of his schtick from them, he might as well steal that too.
The only value Noah Sinclair has, is as a target for amusement. Fuck with him. Fuck with his System. Confuse him with disinformation. Mislead him at every possible turn. Waste his time, and resources. Steal from him. What’s he gonna do…whine about it? Poke at the holes in his half-assed methods, tear him to fucking pieces. He’s nothing more than a 2-bit carnival huckster.
A man like this is all talk, and no follow-through. He will sell you the world, collect payment, and deliver nothing. He wants something from you. Do not give it to him. Give him your contempt instead, it’s all he’s worthy of.
What will Noah Sinclair do when all his sekrit materials are “TAKEN” from him, and distributed for free? Will he cry and whine about it like a little bitch? My magic 8-ball says “Signs point to yes.”
February 27, 2017 at 3:01 pm #1569Anonymous
I was a bit surprised by the fact that I received the following email from Sarah Sinclair.
Is this really your name? I am afraid we can not help you.
This world is filled with needlessly complex people and emotions but there is one variable that seems to separate everyone into two simple categories: winners and losers.
Unfortunately for you, you have clearly displayed that you are the latter.
Make no mistake though, this is not the last you will see or hear of Noah Sinclair as I guarantee our clients will be more than happy to take your money and power as they conquer all that surrounds you in the very near future.
I’ve been called many things, but a loser is not one of them.
That being said, I’ve succeeded and rose to the top of any group or situation I’ve ever been put in, and if the Loser’s Club can team up to defeat an evil older than time clown than we sure as shit got this in the bag.
I’ll meet ya’ll down by the rock quarry.
February 27, 2017 at 3:04 pm #1570
@thebuz – When did you get that? Was old, and part of your catch-up/ketchup kerfuffle or was it received recently?
February 28, 2017 at 10:04 am #1600
March 1, 2017 at 1:14 pm #1663Anonymous
@bruinbown Nah, that dude is a poser. His real name is Edwin.
March 2, 2017 at 12:04 pm #1719JohnParticipant
I don’t think it would be understatement to say that Noah’s a narcissist. Accordingly, I think Noah wants compliments, admiration, attention and likes being feared. My guess is that anyone who received a loser email that he did not like or disagreed with.
My guess is that the most effective way of dealing with Noah is to ignore him. He needs adulation while you hopefully don’t.
March 2, 2017 at 11:23 pm #1739
<) )╯ I’m chosen.
( (> You’re not.
<) )> Bitchez.
March 3, 2017 at 5:28 pm #1755
March 3, 2017 at 5:30 pm #1756Anonymous
@winstonsmith Funny you should mention that. There’s a very good reason why cows are lead into a slaughterhouse in such a way that they can’t see what’s happening to those that are ahead of them in line: they freak the fuck out once they figure out what’s going on.
But the zig-zag entry ramps sure do look pretty.
March 3, 2017 at 5:52 pm #1757
@winstonsmith and @crystal I know how upsetting it is for you not to be chosen, being the sad pugs and all that you are, but nobody leads @larry to the slaughterhouse. I play 42-dimensional chess and Noah Sinclair is but a wee pawn on my board. And were I to end up a meal, well, I was once swallowed by a dragon. I’m here. He’s not.
And yes, my big head does make it through the doorway. 🙂
March 3, 2017 at 6:30 pm #1762
@larry A dragon? Noah? That dude wears a leash. He’s a quivering lapdog with a bark bigger than his bite. He doesn’t surround himself with sycophants because he’s powerful. That’s pure weaksauce. If you want to take something of value, take it from the owner, not the pet. You want money? Power? It’s yours, but take it from something that has it, like OSDM.
March 3, 2017 at 5:56 pm #1758Anonymous
Assumptions, @larry. The sorting hat has yet to place me.
March 3, 2017 at 5:58 pm #1759
March 3, 2017 at 5:58 pm #1760Anonymous
@larry 42D Chess? You nimble navigator you. Someone get this man a coat!
March 3, 2017 at 6:02 pm #1761
I am 15 steps ahead of Noah “Pussy” Sinclair. I left him a voicemail telling him that when his scheme blows up in his face, he’ll have to beg to hire me. And I’ll take all the money he took from everyone else as my fee. So you should all just hand your money to me.
March 3, 2017 at 6:33 pm #1763
March 23, 2017 at 11:05 am #3119
Well since the game is a foot, those of us that haven’t been given any follow-up emails, phone calls, cryptic messages should put our heads together to figure out what we can do to play the game. Maybe a losers united meetup!
March 23, 2017 at 11:11 am #3121
March 23, 2017 at 11:13 am #3124
@genghistwan – As someone who hasn’t received any messages or responses, I understand where you’re coming from. However, I think that the assertion is a little wrong. Just because you haven’t gotten anything doesn’t mean that the game isn’t happening for you.
Responses to emails aren’t everything. The Powers That Be target have had a history of targeting people who are active and those who drive the community or discussion. So even if you’ve gotten a message saying that you’re a loser or haven’t gotten any email at all, if you make public a good theory, you may find that your going public has influenced the narrative. Or if you find a code or a secret that others have missed you’ll just as surely be recognized for it.
March 23, 2017 at 11:24 am #3136
March 23, 2017 at 6:11 pm #3302
@genghistwan Welcome, we were all new once, and although I’ve been around since Tension:Ascension I didn’t use the forums too much, I lurked and posted here and there, but the meta was so deep it was difficult to follow along, this is a great time to join Lust, because it just started. A good idea is to follow along the Activity feed, it’s how you’ll find the engaging discussion quickly, that was the best advice I got from someone else.
Do whatever you want, I’ve found from personal experience this is a good mantra to follow.
Expected literally anything to happen.
Answer all your blocked and unlisted numbers until further notice. (You could miss an opportunity if you don’t answer an unlisted number. )
Welcome to Lust!
March 24, 2017 at 7:25 am #3332Anonymous
Would anyone be down for a Losers only meet up?
We can swap theories and discuss how to not be losers.
Who’s down? I can organize.
Of course I’ll need to see everyone’s loser emails for proof of losery.
March 24, 2017 at 9:25 am #3342
March 24, 2017 at 7:28 am #3333
Can it be July 8?
March 24, 2017 at 7:34 am #3334Anonymous
One of them can be?
I’m thinking April First since it’s a fools day.
March 24, 2017 at 7:50 am #3335Anonymous
That’s the day I leave LA back to Oklahoma.
I’d be down to Skype in or something.
I can get you the email. I may or may not have both an acception and rejection
March 24, 2017 at 8:19 am #3337
March 24, 2017 at 8:36 am #3338
I’m down to meet up! And April 1st does seem fitting…. also if no one comes I wouldn’t even be mad.
March 24, 2017 at 9:11 am #3339
I’m up for the 4/1. How do we send you proof?
March 24, 2017 at 9:19 am #3340Anonymous
Just PM me a screenshot of your loser email.
If you haven’t received an email at all we’ll have to figure out a way for proof in that regard.
I know everyone loves The Escondite but since I’m not huge on breathing in Hepatitis fumes from tent city I’m thinking Valley based.
I’m thinking Potentially Tiki No on Lankershim. Only fitting to have a Losers Club meeting at a fucking tiki bar.
March 24, 2017 at 9:23 am #3341CristenParticipant
I got an email asking for my digits but no contact or nothin so I think I don’t qualify BUT I live over there so might I recommend across from Tiki No at the Idle Hour if y’all are into beers! They’ve got nice tables for everyone to lounge at too. ?
March 24, 2017 at 9:29 am #3344Anonymous
@wanda102 Ehh sounds pretty losery to me. Also Idle Hour is expensive but that backyard area is dope. If you’re in the area, then howdy neighbor!
@mistere Above I picked the date already. 4/1. But you’re right a week night may be better. Or just early on a Saturday Night.
Maybe Mon/Tuesday of that week?
March 24, 2017 at 9:38 am #3346Anonymous
Tiki is cool. So is nobar. I used to hang there with my playhouse west pals a few years back.
March 24, 2017 at 9:39 am #3347
Tiki No has karaoke on Wednesdays… or are you too chicken? 🙂
March 24, 2017 at 9:42 am #3349CristenParticipant
@thebuz Arts District forever! I forgot Idle Hour was pricy because I don’t really drink anymore ha. There is definitely a Rita’s Italian ice right over there tho if anyone wants to live dangerously.
March 24, 2017 at 9:42 am #3350Anonymous
@hazelverse Bitch please, I am karaoke King.
But I also want to hang and discuss theories and shit, not just hang and sing Karaoke.
So perhaps Monday or Tuesday.
March 24, 2017 at 9:49 am #3352
@buz Could it be earlier?, could this be next week on a week day Mon or Tuesday night both sound good to me, and I think it would be better to meet and plot sooner then later. Monday and Tuesday first week of April is also good, and I agree we it’s better to meet a less busy night.
- This reply was modified 4 years, 10 months ago by Brian E.
March 24, 2017 at 9:46 am #3351
@thebuz Karaoke King????? Oh you are so on.
Is your attention span that short? You can’t do both? Lol. Ok, ok… another night then…
March 24, 2017 at 9:54 am #3354
It doesn’t get very busy at Tiki No, but that’s according to my very limited experience. All the same, I’m on the not Wednesday train. We can save that cantankerousness for another time. 😉
I’m down to meet up earlier. I am in the Valley. If people are down maybe we can have a meet up at our place. We’ve got an awesome out door lounge by the pool. Maybe some sort of pasta family meal, byo drinks. Just puttin it out there.
March 24, 2017 at 10:01 am #3355Anonymous
Let’s do Monday 4/3 at Tiki No.
Losers Club unite.
There will be:
-Rock Throwing at bullies (Known as the Great Rock War)
-Staring into Deadlights
-Vanquishing Evil from this world.
-Potential in appropriate gang bang.
March 24, 2017 at 10:07 am #3356
@thebuz we are in
March 24, 2017 at 10:08 am #3357Anonymous
Oh and no email peeps too! Please come!
Just no winners. You guys have won enough!
March 24, 2017 at 10:08 am #3358
Know that I’ll be sitting silently in a dark room in San Diego with a picture of all of you on my monitor, crying, eating ice cream, and occasionally shouting “WHY” jealously into the night sky.
But I mean other than that I’ll be with you in spirit, have fun guys
March 24, 2017 at 10:17 am #3359
@thebuz Weekends are better for me so April 1st was great. I’ll try to make it though.
March 24, 2017 at 10:49 am #3361AddisonParticipant
@thebuz, Karaoke King.
I don’t want to talk about why I have a gif of this.
March 24, 2017 at 10:52 am #3363
March 24, 2017 at 10:57 am #3365Anonymous
March 24, 2017 at 11:40 am #3378Anonymous
I don’t know where that is from, but I’m glad it exists.
I am one with my shadow self.
March 24, 2017 at 2:11 pm #3432
I’d push to meet next week, so we can organize quicker, as we are doing this on a public forum, if were going to gather together and organize we’re best off doing it sooner then later, right?
March 24, 2017 at 3:03 pm #3440
March 24, 2017 at 3:18 pm #3442Anonymous
March 24, 2017 at 3:27 pm #3449
I live right by Tiki No. I’d be down for a losers meetup. I’m always up for plotting the destruction of The System.
And I got Secret Hitler in the Kickstarter. Never been able to bring myself to play it, given the current political situation.
March 24, 2017 at 3:51 pm #3456
Yup, yup! It’s a super chill, friendly game, typically between 12-20 people, usually on the 2nd Saturday of the month. The date does fluctuate depending on schedules, but is always on a Saturday. We start at 7:00pm, and it’s usually over before midnight.
Everyone is super friendly to new players, we try really hard to make the game fun, and welcoming for all skill levels. We do tutorials before the game starts for people who need, or want a crash course.
It’s a No-limit Texas Hold’em tournament, with a $20 buyin, and multiple rebuys allowed through the first 6 blind levels. Everyone starts with 3500 in chips, with the blinds starting at 25/50, and going up every 20 minutes. We usually pay out 1st-3rd place, occasionally 4th if we have a big crowd that night. We take money out of the pot to pay for pizza, but other than that it all goes to the players/winners. There is no rake, or entrance fee, just $20 per buyin.
March 24, 2017 at 3:24 pm #3447
March 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm #3448
(I just saw the link) I think I’ve played that game… maybe with a different name.
March 24, 2017 at 3:35 pm #3454
I can’t make it Mondays or Tuesdays. As with @kipsie, I live in the South Bay (Torrance). I might be in for Secret Hitler, depending on the date.
March 24, 2017 at 4:38 pm #3462
March 24, 2017 at 4:54 pm #3464Anonymous
I’m down to move things up.
How does this coming Thursday sound? 4/30? Tiki No?
March 24, 2017 at 5:50 pm #3498
March 25, 2017 at 4:06 am #3543
Thursday works for me.
March 25, 2017 at 5:14 am #3544MarandaParticipant
Wish I could go hang out with you all, but I’ll have to be there only in spirit 🙂 Accept no shadow substitutes!
March 28, 2017 at 10:52 am #4127
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March 28, 2017 at 4:28 pm #4163Anonymous
For those following this thread, posted about Losers Meet Up HERE
March 29, 2017 at 1:42 pm #4348MichelleParticipant
Noah legit just replied with “no”
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March 30, 2017 at 7:18 pm #4727Haley WildeParticipant
I’m not entirely sure if I’m a “loser” or a “winner.” I was originally ignored by Noah, but once I sent a more aggressive email, he sent me a reply stating “Wow look at the balls on Haley. I’ll be in touch.” Still waiting to hear from him, but I don’t know where this leaves me.
March 30, 2017 at 7:22 pm #4728
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