5/25 – Call from Horace


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    Security is a mess at iConfidant.

    I just heard what happened. I am so so incredibly sorry. There have been a few accounts that were compromised last night over the course of about one hour and yours happened to be one of them. I am so embarrassed and so sorry because this is not what I iConfidant stands for.

    If the Trojan is still on their system and can be used to gain access to a few accounts, I’d have to believe that every account is still capable of being compromised.

    We believed that we had completely secured a Trojan horse breach from a few weeks ago but we are still actively looking into whether this is part of that compromise to our system. Have you had reports of anyone mimicking you in any digital communications during the last two months?

    This has always been the weird thing with iConfidant. They’ve mentioned this breach several times but that issue would be totally separate from someone having their own accounts attacked. What happened with @kasch went beyond someone mimicking him, the emails appeared to come from his own address, but weren’t present in his sent box. Even if it was just someone mimicking digital communications, what does that have to do with malware on iConfidant’s systems?


    iConfidant knows that I work in infosec and could easily and immediately plug up all of these security holes, not to mention hunt down the fucks in question. Their IT team is hopelessly outgunned.

    I would be happy to be their security consultant if they would just admit that they need outside help.

     Andrew Kasch 

    I hated Horace back at the very first Tension consultation…and I hate him even more now. Someone needs to take this shit bird down! And I hope it’s Noah.


    I agree with you @kasch. At that first consultation he was condescending and rude… and late. He accused me of not following an instruction that I have no clue if I even received because the lead up communication was so bad.
    His displays of “efficiency” are not very impressive.

     Brad Ruwe 

    “a few accounts”

    Means @taysavestheday was not the only one. Strap in boys and girls, more of us are likely to be contacted, or even worse, duplicated online. If iConfidant was on the up and up they’d reach out to EVERYONE whose communication was breached ASAP. I know when a company has a data breach they usually send out an email to affected customers giving a run down of the situation and next steps (change your password, etc).

     Lawrence Meyers 

    @taysavestheday Some context, from the (shocking) Jungian perspective:

    What I learned in analysis was that we all have a superior and inferior function that are the ways in which we relate to the world: Thinking, Sensation, Feeling, and Intuition. Thinking/Feeling and Sensation/Intuition are on opposing poles. If you regard yourself as someone who primarily relates to the world through facts and logic (as I do), Thinking is your superior function, and Feeling would be inferior (not pejorative, just not as developed).

    [This, BTW, is the basis for Myers-Briggs, along with introvert and extravert]

    Jung believed that one of the most important paths to becoming whole (Ouroboros) is to develop and integrate your inferior function. Horace appears to be cajoling you to instead stay rooted in your superior function — promising you success over wholeness, if you will.

    There’s more. Jung also speaks of finding the Self (wholeness) via the unity of opposites — the unity of male and female energy. Men have a feminine energy called the anima, women have a masculine energy called the animus. These energies acts as guides to your unconscious, where all the discoveries lie towards finding The Self.

    Horace is asking you to deny the feminine energy within, offering you again success over wholeness.

    That being said, I would’ve made the same choice. Not because I would abandon the search for The Self, but because If I’m offered a chance to get into the inner circle of what I perceive as The Enemy, I would do it in a heartbeat.

    Because that, too, may take you in a positive direction. Horace represents the Shadow, and you know how I feel about having to face and incorporate that on the way to wholeness.

    Have fun!

     Michael Rizzo 

    Haha holy shit a lot has happened.
    So, @taysavestheday I’m actually quite surprised at the choice you made and as buz had said, this is quite truly the darkest timeline. I’d be curious if @electrichippo, @thebuz, or myself will start to be tasked with dropping our iConfidants in some way or another. We say we wouldn’t be sure if we could do that but who knows, I’m sure tay would’ve said the same before the call with papa Sinclair… I do agree with kim however, that it was not only the connection you made with your IConfidant but more so the connection you made with Sarah that pushed this call to be delivered to you.

    Also just want to note how almost nobody listened to Horace at the book event and how he was lowkey a joke lmao

     Lukas L 

    @taysavestheday what exactly are you getting in return for your sacrifice? So he will let you into his world? Who exactly is he? I mean what is his value to you, and why should you let him into your world? It sounds like he is using the platform technique on you (Im not sure if that is the exact name.) Its where someone makes themselves look more important or is higher on the platform than you, but gives you a sliver of a hope that if your a good little boy, he may reach out his hand and pull you up. But that is never the case. Your hand will always be seemingly and purposefully inches away from his. That is the exact motivation he needs you to have to get you to do his bidding. Because what you need to realize is he will never pull you up to his level. That would make him an equal and not above you. He will never stand for that.

     Taylor Winters 

    Thanks @larry (I almost tagged your shadow account).

    I love the philosophical and Jungian approach this is constantly taking with the approach of shadow, anima, and animus. As @kevin pointed out, Stick Man may be more pushing us towards wholeness, but incorporating both head and heart–while Horace may be pushing us towards cold hard success through removal of the heart and focusing on just the head. I’m interested in where this path takes me as well.

    Also, for completeness, I am an INTJ/ENTJ (The Engineer/Architect and The Commander personality types) depending on when I take it. My I and E are usually 49% vs 51%.

     Taylor Winters 

    @rizzzoooooo and @electrichippo, I definitely think this has been building for me for some while. As with life and my career, I am logical, rational, and ambitious. So The System, while I didn’t believe all of its tenets, did appeal to my inclinations. Sarah reached out to me via phone call and the OC meetup, suggesting that we saw the world the same way and both faced similar difficulties. We understood each other. I was ready to support her because I could very well be facing the same issues she was–in different circumstances.

    When iConfidant opened, I was given an opportunity to reveal a different side of myself. One that was more empathetic, artistic, and fun. We jokes about building treehouses together and shared music with each other in every email. I connected with my confidant quickly and looked forward to each of her emails. She was definitely someone I could have seen myself being great friends with and even having more with, in a different life.

    So the choice was extremely hard. Follow your heart and continue building a friendship with someone you have a genuine connection with, or throw that all away for a chance at success, being let into the inner circle, and to make a difference. While the second was only a chance at this–I had to risk it and go for it. as @izryn said, I have to choose the option I would least regret later. And this is someone I would regret if I didn’t risk it all.

     Taylor Winters 

    @lukasrl, you make an interesting point. But this all reminds me of a quote: “People don’t get promotes for doing their job really well, they get promoted for demonstrating that they have the potential to do more.” And I hope that’s one thing I’ve proved over and over again in my life–I always have the potential to do more, to grow, and to be useful.

    You asked what his value is to me. He has information. He has answers. It’s his investors, his experience. Are there more people than just him behind it? Is his goal the same as the OSDM goal of judging reactions and emotions to predict human behavior or is this more? These questions are far more interesting to me, and I will do what it takes in pursuit of answers.

    You also asked what Horace is offering me; and that is a chance. He has no reason to trust me, same as I have no reason to trust him. But he does have something I want, and I have something he wants. So, I’ll take the first step–I’ll show him that I am willing to give up something that was damn important to me–and gain a little of his trust. And now it’s his turn to gain a little of mine.


    Wow @taysavestheday. I think I’m impressed with your decision. I don’t know if I’d be able to do it. I would want to, but I’m not sure the logical side of my brain would be able to win out. I’ve become kind of attached to my iConfidant. I applaud you for your choice, and hope it gets you everything you want. Can’t wait to see what happens next.

     Lukas L 

    @taysavestheday Yes one gets promoted by demonstrating they can do more but thats when they are currently in the position. I guess im still a little confused. What information and answers are you looking for? Because the questions you have seem to be for someone who is on the inside and in the loop. You said he is giving you a chance? A chance at what. He hasnt offered anything. He just told you to do something and you did it. Instead it sounds to me like this job is more of a contractors job. Do what they want and then poof. Nothing more.

    I understand your decision, I cant say I would have made a different one. But I am curious on the why in this situation.

     Lukas L 

    @taysavestheday “The life of a sheep is easier than the life of a lion. Sheep are given food and water freely by their shepherd, and are protected from predators by shelters they did not build. They fatten themselves on the shepherd’s food, thriving into a multitude that outnumbers the lions.

    But these comforts bind the sheep into slavery. The sheep are bred to be weaker of mind and body, to require the shepherd’s protection so greatly that they can be free of physical chains but never stray. Theirs is a lifetime of servitude — one that is comfortable but ends at the shepherd’s whim.

    Lions have no masters. Though the lion must hunt for its own food and search for its own shelter, it is free to roam where it wishes and requires no one to open its gate. Though the feeding trough of the sheep is filled, it is only with the grass and grain of its master’s choosing. A lion must hunt and chase its meals, but feasts on anything it catches.” ~ Illuminations

     Taylor Winters 

    @lukasrl; Think of it as a job that I would like to get. He calls me, that’s the job posting. Then he lets me know what qualities he’s looking for in a candidate, that’s the skill requirements. He doesn’t offer anything at this point–he probably has multiple people he’s interested in. Now it’s up to me to do what he asks and show him that I’m the best one for the job, that I fit his required skill set. This is me submitting my resume. If he’s interested, he’ll reach out to me again. And maybe I’ll get some answers then.

    And to your other point, I would definitely say he’s on the inside and in the loop. They are his investors. The Lust Experience is his. The Tension Experience was too. He’s the highest up the ladder we’ve seen.

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